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Enlightenment Now - Steven Pinker
« on: January 29, 2018, 02:19:34 PM »
New book by Steven Pinker. Not out yet, but Bill Gates wrote a pretty glowing recommendation for it:

https://www.gatesnotes.com/Books/Enlightenment-Now

You can pre-order here:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0525427570/
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Re: Enlightenment Now - Steven Pinker
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2018, 04:09:04 PM »
I preordered it.  I never read the old one, so I figure this is the one to read to catch up anyhow.

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Re: Enlightenment Now - Steven Pinker
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2018, 09:22:08 AM »
Just ordered on audio. I'm really liking the rise of the honest, thoughtful lefty's.

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Re: Enlightenment Now - Steven Pinker
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2018, 09:41:06 AM »
Just ordered on audio. I'm really liking the rise of the honest, thoughtful lefty's.

Not sure Pinker would call himself a lefty. He gets attacked by both sides. I think the left dislikes a lot of his evolutionary psychology stuff...

That's when you know you're an independent thinker: Once one side accuses you of being on the other side and vice versa, and all you're trying to do is figure out what's what on a case by case basis, so you don't fit into the nice arbitrary binary tribal divide that most people slot themselves into.
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Re: Enlightenment Now - Steven Pinker
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2018, 11:45:03 AM »
Just ordered on audio. I'm really liking the rise of the honest, thoughtful lefty's.

Not sure Pinker would call himself a lefty. He gets attacked by both sides. I think the left dislikes a lot of his evolutionary psychology stuff...

That's when you know you're an independent thinker: Once one side accuses you of being on the other side and vice versa, and all you're trying to do is figure out what's what on a case by case basis, so you don't fit into the nice arbitrary binary tribal divide that most people slot themselves into.

I thought he considered himself a classical liberal. His views on gender certainly aren't post modernist. It seems many independent thinkers are finding themselves in no man's land lately.

It's interesting how often people's thinking is binary. It's to the point where I have to couch everything I say in "insofar" "inasmuch" "to the degree/extent". It's really bizarre to me folks can't contextualize anything I say and consider my implied probability, but they can't! If they would just listen it would be clear i was speaking of a small majority or a substantial minority etc.

About a year ago having dinner with two couples from SF in france after a day of climbing we had a conversation that ended, reductio ad absurdam, with me asking them if it would be okay to transport (a la star trek) an unwanted baby from a pre abortive mother. After overcoming their objections regarding the safety of transporters, they all said no, it's the mother's choice. In deep space 9 this was done between Nourice and Kaiko.

There's no room for nuance in a binary party line. The beginning of the conversation started with, "is it a human life at 8 months".

Anyways, Steven is a interesting guy. Thanks for the reminder.

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Re: Enlightenment Now - Steven Pinker
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2018, 12:15:10 PM »
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I thought he considered himself a classical liberal.

Which, at least in the US, means you don't quite fit anywhere.
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Re: Enlightenment Now - Steven Pinker
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2018, 11:15:45 AM »
I have a copy of this book on my to read shelf.  It's a pretty voluminous hardback.  Probably would have gone with the kindle version had I bothered to look.

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Re: Enlightenment Now - Steven Pinker
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2018, 11:34:45 AM »
Just yesterday I listened to an interview with him on Joe Rogan's podcast.  It is episode #1073 from Feb 04, 2018 (podcast, youTube).   The book sounds interesting, I plan on reading it. A long time ago I also planned on reading "The Better Angels of Our Nature", but completely forgot about it until I listened to this interview yesterday.

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Re: Enlightenment Now - Steven Pinker
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2018, 11:36:10 AM »
Just yesterday I listened to an interview with him on Joe Rogan's podcast.  It is episode #1073 from Feb 04, 2018 (podcast, youTube).   The book sounds interesting, I plan on reading it. A long time ago I also planned on reading "The Better Angels of Our Nature", but completely forgot about it until I listened to this interview yesterday.

I suggest 'The Blank Slate' by Pinker, it's a great book.
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Re: Enlightenment Now - Steven Pinker
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2018, 11:39:25 AM »
Just yesterday I listened to an interview with him on Joe Rogan's podcast.  It is episode #1073 from Feb 04, 2018 (podcast, youTube).   The book sounds interesting, I plan on reading it. A long time ago I also planned on reading "The Better Angels of Our Nature", but completely forgot about it until I listened to this interview yesterday.

I suggest 'The Blank Slate' by Pinker, it's a great book.

Thanks.   I'll check that one out too.   He didn't mention his book by that name specifically in the interview, but he did talk a little about his opposition to the theory that humans are born a "blank slate".