Author Topic: Fairfax Doubles Stake in RIMM  (Read 4656 times)

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Fairfax Doubles Stake in RIMM
« on: January 27, 2012, 06:33:11 AM »
As a follow-up to the 'Prem Watsa Brings Hope To Rim's Restless Shareholders' thread, looks like H&W have doubled down.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-27/rim-investor-fairfax-financial-doubles-stake-in-blackberry-maker.html?cmpid=yhoo


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Re: Fairfax Doubles Stake in RIMM
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2012, 06:47:56 AM »
I am thinking their cost basis is somewhere in the .6 - 0.7 B range.

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Re: Fairfax Doubles Stake in RIMM
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2012, 07:10:30 AM »
Companies need to roll out devices to their entire sales and service teams, packing them with purpose-built business applications, not just generic email, browsers, and off-the-shelf productivity apps. With cellular connections, so salespeople are always connected, and the app also needs to works offline.

RIMM will cater to this business market. While Apple will have their devices cater to walled fluff content that consumers enjoy. RIMM will be about business - Apple walled fun.

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Re: Fairfax Doubles Stake in RIMM
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2012, 08:37:26 AM »
I really want to ask Mr. Watsa during next conference call why he wanted to bet on RIMM.

To me, this is a very tough market. There is no other companies better than RIMM? I think this is a gamble.




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Re: Fairfax Doubles Stake in RIMM
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2012, 09:16:40 AM »
Oh boy... I now own more RIMM than I ever wanted to being a Fairfax shareholder.

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Re: Fairfax Doubles Stake in RIMM
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2012, 09:25:29 AM »
Companies need to roll out devices to their entire sales and service teams, packing them with purpose-built business applications, not just generic email, browsers, and off-the-shelf productivity apps. With cellular connections, so salespeople are always connected, and the app also needs to works offline.

RIMM will cater to this business market. While Apple will have their devices cater to walled fluff content that consumers enjoy. RIMM will be about business - Apple walled fun.

Prem Watsa is going to have fun building RIMM devices that mean business.This all fits into the end to end global network of connecting things.

Seems to be the party line, RIMM builds for business and iPhone/Android is for 14yr old kids playing Angry Birds.  I was at a company meeting last night, 100 employees, I saw 0 Blackberrys, everyone had an iPhone or Android with one Palm Pre (that person making fun of themself in a presentation).  Three years ago 75% of this crowd had Blackberries, those same people all ditched them for the fun phones.  I've asked a few of these people and everyone of them said ditching the Blackberry was worth it and they wished they did it earlier.

When you lose a customer like that it's hard to go back.  I can't imagine any of these people jumping from the fun phone back to a Blackberry, the mindshare has been lost.

None of this stuff is fluff business either, people doing spreadsheets, one guy did a presentation off his iPhone.

One more anecdote, our company is moving into the mobile space in a large way due to customer demand.  What do customers want? They only want iOS and Android applications, they've communicated clearly that Blackberry/Palm/Windows isn't worth the effort.

This is all anecdotal but from my vantage point it's significant.  I don't hold any RIMM shares nor do I want to, I'm not sure how you regain all those lost customers.  Will be fascinating to watch.

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Re: Fairfax Doubles Stake in RIMM
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2012, 10:00:56 AM »
Companies need to roll out devices to their entire sales and service teams, packing them with purpose-built business applications, not just generic email, browsers, and off-the-shelf productivity apps. With cellular connections, so salespeople are always connected, and the app also needs to works offline.

RIMM will cater to this business market. While Apple will have their devices cater to walled fluff content that consumers enjoy. RIMM will be about business - Apple walled fun.

Prem Watsa is going to have fun building RIMM devices that mean business.This all fits into the end to end global network of connecting things.

Seems to be the party line, RIMM builds for business and iPhone/Android is for 14yr old kids playing Angry Birds.  I was at a company meeting last night, 100 employees, I saw 0 Blackberrys, everyone had an iPhone or Android with one Palm Pre (that person making fun of themself in a presentation).  Three years ago 75% of this crowd had Blackberries, those same people all ditched them for the fun phones.  I've asked a few of these people and everyone of them said ditching the Blackberry was worth it and they wished they did it earlier.

When you lose a customer like that it's hard to go back.  I can't imagine any of these people jumping from the fun phone back to a Blackberry, the mindshare has been lost.

None of this stuff is fluff business either, people doing spreadsheets, one guy did a presentation off his iPhone.

One more anecdote, our company is moving into the mobile space in a large way due to customer demand.  What do customers want? They only want iOS and Android applications, they've communicated clearly that Blackberry/Palm/Windows isn't worth the effort.

This is all anecdotal but from my vantage point it's significant.  I don't hold any RIMM shares nor do I want to, I'm not sure how you regain all those lost customers.  Will be fascinating to watch.

You're right! I started ignoring this talk of companies and their mighty IT departments only want Blackberry a while back. I credit it to people wanting to force reality to fit their book.

I was at a lunch yesterday with people spanning over a 3-4 industries: myself and some colleagues of mine, our Ernst & Young auditors and a few others; and we all had the same story about how in each of our workplaces Iphones and Android phones were now being supported and everybody had moved from Blackberry. I was the only person at the table with a Blackberry by the way.

My own anecdote, I asked one of our IT guys how many requests they had received for Blackberry phones since they started supporting Iphones and Android for company provided phones about 2 years ago, his answer: none! And he wasn't kidding!


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Re: Fairfax Doubles Stake in RIMM
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2012, 10:31:16 AM »
requests they had received for Blackberry phones since they started supporting Iphones and Android

FWIW, the bestbuy salesman I talked to discouraged me from buying blackberry ( not that I wanted to buy one ) - he was guiding me to android.

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Re: Fairfax Doubles Stake in RIMM
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2012, 01:41:04 PM »
Every time I hear of prem investing more $ in RIMM makes me want to sell my Fairfax shares. I know Prem has a good long term record, but I find myself disagreeing with nearly every stock investment he makes over the last fee years. Not sure if he's just trying to support a Canadian company, or if blackberry is still doing well in Canada and he doesn't realize that nobody is buying RIMM's crappg produce or what. He seems to have more faith in RIMM management than they have in themselves.

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Re: Fairfax Doubles Stake in RIMM
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2012, 01:41:04 PM »