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rohitc99

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Re: Fairfax India new issue
« Reply #210 on: January 13, 2018, 09:21:29 AM »
Not really, indian markets were up in december, including IIFL which was up close to 10%. again quite a few of the assets such as BIAL are not listed. irrespective of the reason, the drop was good to raise the position


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Re: Fairfax India new issue
« Reply #211 on: January 13, 2018, 03:19:53 PM »
Youíre probably right. I donít follow the Indian market. And trying to attribute reason to some of mr marketís actions is not really worth the time.

I happily used this buying opportunity to substantially increase my exposure.
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Re: Fairfax India new issue
« Reply #213 on: February 09, 2018, 03:07:55 PM »
Just to come back to the share repurchase, the NCIB was announced on Oct 4, with the shares at about $18, presumably indicating that management was confident that it was undervalued there. Since then, we had the Qe report (Nov 2nd) indicating holding that were about half public and half private.

On the public side, 2 holdings: IIFL (85m shares, worth $787m on Sep 30th), and Fairchem (19m shares, worth $113m). Then there is the private side, with Sanmar bonds ($323m), BIAL (very conservatively valued at $592m), NCML ($184m, Saurashtra ($34m), NSE ($40m) and Sanmar equity ($1m) for a private company total of $1173m.

I just looked at the 2 public holdings, and if my calculations are right, they were at the same value on Dec 31st (for the purposes of the Q4 report, due next week I think), but they have gone up over 20% since then, mostly because of IIFL. Meanwhile, the other big holding, BIAL, is very likely worth substantially more, at least FIH thinks so, since the price they paid for the latest 10% stake gives their whole stake an implied valuation of close to $1b.

It will be interesting to see if they took advantage of the Nov/Dec price dip in FIH shares to buy back some of their 3.5 million share NCIB (4% of the public float). I certainly bought some - now my #3 position.
 

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Re: Fairfax India new issue
« Reply #214 on: March 14, 2018, 05:20:52 PM »
For Canadian shareholders of Fairfax India, I wonder if there is any special tax for this Indian-focused investment vehicle.  Is there any difference between holding FIH in a non-RSP vs RSP vs TFSA account?  Any withholding taxes?  Thanks,

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Re: Fairfax India new issue
« Reply #215 on: March 15, 2018, 06:09:31 AM »
Fairfax India is a Canadian domiciled company for Canadian taxpayers purposes. No different than Royal Bank from an investor - taxpayer perspective.  In the future, if FIH starts paying dividends, they will be considered eligible Canadian dividends. FIH can be held within a TFSA or RRSP.  No withholding tax on FIH dividends (should they start to pay dividends). No foreign reporting (ie T1135) required either.

I hope this helps.

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Re: Fairfax India new issue
« Reply #216 on: March 15, 2018, 09:30:10 AM »
Fairfax India is a Canadian domiciled company for Canadian taxpayers purposes. No different than Royal Bank from an investor - taxpayer perspective.  In the future, if FIH starts paying dividends, they will be considered eligible Canadian dividends. FIH can be held within a TFSA or RRSP.  No withholding tax on FIH dividends (should they start to pay dividends). No foreign reporting (ie T1135) required either.

I hope this helps.
Thanks, you have answered all the questions that I haven't put in words. :)

petec

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Re: Fairfax India new issue
« Reply #217 on: March 16, 2018, 12:04:46 PM »
What are the odds of Fairfax's Thomas Cook and Quess stakes being swapped for Fairfax India shares at some point?

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Re: Fairfax India new issue
« Reply #218 on: March 16, 2018, 02:37:19 PM »
What are the odds of Fairfax's Thomas Cook and Quess stakes being swapped for Fairfax India shares at some point?

that would require fairfax india to list in india for the minority shareholders of these companies? not sure about the exact rules, but as an investor in the indian markets, i dont know of any foreign company being dual listed in india. the reverse exists where a few indian companies are listed in the US via ADRs

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Re: Fairfax India new issue
« Reply #219 on: March 16, 2018, 02:42:05 PM »
What are the odds of Fairfax's Thomas Cook and Quess stakes being swapped for Fairfax India shares at some point?

that would require fairfax india to list in india for the minority shareholders of these companies? not sure about the exact rules, but as an investor in the indian markets, i dont know of any foreign company being dual listed in india. the reverse exists where a few indian companies are listed in the US via ADRs

I think he's saying that FFH would give the shares to FFH india in exchange for FFH india shares.  Since they are both in Canada, I don't think there would be an issues?