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Amortizations of Goodwill and intangibles in Canada
« on: August 04, 2010, 05:52:26 PM »
Hi guys, I believe there might be a knowledgeable person here to help me out the tax savings possible due to intangible amortization.

Does somebody know the amortization rate of the goodwill and intangibles for Canada?

Is the amortization supposed to be linear or declining balance?

Will the fact that canadian corporations/trust will be respecting FASB in 2011 change anything to the amortization rate?

I believe that all the Income Trusts that re currently converting to corporations will start using their goodwill/intangible amortizations to reduce their tax rate, am I mistaken?

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Re: Amortizations of Goodwill and intangibles in Canada
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2010, 06:05:38 PM »
there is something called eligible capital property for certain types of intangible assets, they can be amortized at 7% per year up to something like 75% of the principal amount.

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Re: Amortizations of Goodwill and intangibles in Canada
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2010, 06:13:06 PM »
Thanks scorpion, did you hear anything about Canada's tax regime that would change to stop amortization of goodwill like in the US?

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Re: Amortizations of Goodwill and intangibles in Canada
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2010, 06:36:34 PM »
that one is over my head, no idea :)

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Re: Amortizations of Goodwill and intangibles in Canada
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2010, 06:49:55 PM »
Beerbaron,

Goodwill is no longer amortized in Canada just like in the U.S. I think that both countries adopted the rule at about the same time. Goodwill is also not tax deductible. What they do nowadays is to review the goodwill value once a year to see if there is an impairement or not. If so, they write it down to the proper value which gets substracted also from equity.

Intangibles is a different story since it includes software and some rights that have true economic value. These are still amortized and are tax deductibles, although you will have to dig into the tax code to find out the rate for each type.

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Re: Amortizations of Goodwill and intangibles in Canada
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2010, 06:59:11 PM »
Goodwill is tax deductible in the us for an asset deal. 

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Re: Amortizations of Goodwill and intangibles in Canada
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2010, 08:46:06 PM »
I believe your question has to do with the tax treatment versus the financial reporting (book) treatment.  Currenlty, both the US and Canada allow intangibles to be amortized for tax over 15 years in the US and similar but not exact the same length in Canada but only for tax asset purchases (which are different than book asset purchases).  To clarify, an acquistion can be either an asset or stock purchase for tax purposes but all acquistions are now accounted for as asset purchased for financial reporting purposes.  I can find out if you want to know exact amount.  For financial reporting, the numbers you will see in the financial statement, goodwill is not amortized and identifiable intangibles are amortized over thier expected life (which estimated by managment as a part of the PPA process after an acquisition).     

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Re: Amortizations of Goodwill and intangibles in Canada
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2010, 10:03:57 PM »
Canadian GAAP is converting to IFRS in 2011.

As of now, with Canadian GAAP, goodwill is tested for impairment and not amortized. IFRS also tests for impairment and does not amortize each year. There is not really much difference. There are only small tweaks not really worth getting into in where the two differ, in how the impairment steps take place. But basically, CICA 3064 is converging with IAS 36 & 38. This is for Canadian companies. I have never had the need to learn the current tax characteristics of Canadian Income Trusts in their current form (just regular Canadian companies), so i have never bothered to study CA income trusts under CA GAAP, let alone under IRFS. So their may be some differences with respect specifically to CA income trusts, which i'd be happy to look up at a later date for you.

Over here in the US (using US GAAP),  goodwill  (and certain other intangible assets) are also impaired, according to the rules in SFAS 142. It's now annually tested for impairment in a 2 step process. Where, basically, the company just estimates the fair value of each reporting unit to which goodwill is attributed and compares that estimated fair value with the carrying amount of the reported unit. Any excess of the carrying amount over the estimated fair value must be recognized as an impairment loss up to the amount of the goodwill. This rule became effective around 2002.

There is no tax effect, or any real cash effect. It is really a non-event. The only effect is that it will dramatically effect reported earnings in the year of impairment, as the impairment decreases net income dramatically in a given year. Moving forward though, this impairment "clears the books", and the company will report higher earnings than it would if they were still amortizing, and higher ROA, ROE, P/E because of the switch from amortization to impairment. It's just your typical "Big Bath" accounting.

Some intangibles are still amortized annually. Amortization of intangible assets may be based on useful lives as defined by law (e.g. patents) or regulation, or such assets may be depreciated over teh period during which the firm expects to receive benefits from them, like computer software. Companies can use either straight-line or units of production methods.

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