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Re: Canadian tariffs
« Reply #30 on: June 13, 2018, 10:36:22 PM »
you poor canadians need some nukes.  then we could be friends.


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« Reply #31 on: June 14, 2018, 06:14:50 AM »
No need for nukes, just balls.

You guys don't like Trump? You guys don't like these steel and aluminium tariffs? Would you like regime change?

There is an election coming in November and Trump appears quite worried about gasoline prices with a few tweets on that already.

-> Cut the oil supply

That is it, reduce significantly the amount of oil heading down there, especially heavy. Compensate companies for the few weeks/months required.

Just the threat of it will make gasoline prices in the U.S. to explode.

We are apparently a national threat to their security so why not? Trump will try to tap into the SPR but, it will be too late and not the right kind of oil.

Then Democrats will win the election in both Senate and Congress and impeach Trump.

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Re: Canadian tariffs
« Reply #32 on: June 14, 2018, 11:01:12 AM »
you poor canadians need some nukes.  then we could be friends.

OT? Seems like a theme. If Ukraine had held onto their (Soviet Union's really) nukes instead of giving them up, they'd still have Crimea. Or we'd have a nuclear wasteland in the middle of Europe.

Don't give up nukes. Ever. (C) Kim Jong Un.
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Re: Canadian tariffs
« Reply #33 on: June 14, 2018, 12:52:55 PM »
No need for nukes, just balls.

You guys don't like Trump? You guys don't like these steel and aluminium tariffs? Would you like regime change?

There is an election coming in November and Trump appears quite worried about gasoline prices with a few tweets on that already.

-> Cut the oil supply

That is it, reduce significantly the amount of oil heading down there, especially heavy. Compensate companies for the few weeks/months required.

Just the threat of it will make gasoline prices in the U.S. to explode.

We are apparently a national threat to their security so why not? Trump will try to tap into the SPR but, it will be too late and not the right kind of oil.

Then Democrats will win the election in both Senate and Congress and impeach Trump.

Cardboard

pretty sure no nukes + oil + speak english + milk tariffs + trudeau's little smirk = casus belli

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Re: Canadian tariffs
« Reply #34 on: June 14, 2018, 02:08:15 PM »
No need for nukes, just balls.

You guys don't like Trump? You guys don't like these steel and aluminium tariffs? Would you like regime change?

There is an election coming in November and Trump appears quite worried about gasoline prices with a few tweets on that already.

-> Cut the oil supply

That is it, reduce significantly the amount of oil heading down there, especially heavy. Compensate companies for the few weeks/months required.

Just the threat of it will make gasoline prices in the U.S. to explode.

We are apparently a national threat to their security so why not? Trump will try to tap into the SPR but, it will be too late and not the right kind of oil.

Then Democrats will win the election in both Senate and Congress and impeach Trump.

Cardboard
Pretty much agree with Cardboard here.

The US seems to not place much value or has forgotten entirely the value of having a stable, developed, and peaceful trading partner and neighbor. There's nothing like a little oil shortage to focus the mind.

Though I would say, if the Americans really had balls they would place tariff on oil and energy imports.

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Re: Canadian tariffs
« Reply #35 on: June 14, 2018, 03:36:03 PM »
No need for nukes, just balls.

You guys don't like Trump? You guys don't like these steel and aluminium tariffs? Would you like regime change?

There is an election coming in November and Trump appears quite worried about gasoline prices with a few tweets on that already.

-> Cut the oil supply

That is it, reduce significantly the amount of oil heading down there, especially heavy. Compensate companies for the few weeks/months required.

Just the threat of it will make gasoline prices in the U.S. to explode.

We are apparently a national threat to their security so why not? Trump will try to tap into the SPR but, it will be too late and not the right kind of oil.

Then Democrats will win the election in both Senate and Congress and impeach Trump.

Cardboard
Pretty much agree with Cardboard here.

The US seems to not place much value or has forgotten entirely the value of having a stable, developed, and peaceful trading partner and neighbor. There's nothing like a little oil shortage to focus the mind.

Though I would say, if the Americans really had balls they would place tariff on oil and energy imports.


The thought had crossed my mind.  A gentle reminder of our importance over a few days.... 
But these tariffs are really about Donald keeping his face omnipresent in the news so he can watch it. 
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Re: Canadian tariffs
« Reply #36 on: June 16, 2018, 05:29:20 AM »
Trying to understand the intent and the objective.
-Is this part of a strategy to set the tone before dealing with the bigger imbalances in trade?
-Is this just to format the message and please parts of the electoral base?

I guess it is expected that the larger partner gets a better deal but if pushed too far, isn't there a risk of a backlash?
Anyways Nafta negotiations will continue in the next few months.

Relevant info trying to answer some questions:
https://www.cfr.org/article/o-canada

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Re: Canadian tariffs
« Reply #37 on: June 18, 2018, 08:01:06 AM »
This has become a US vs Canada issue so I expect all Canadians to support supply management. But I don't for purely selfish reasons...I am a huge consumer of cheese and diary products.

Most people are pretty stupid when it comes to free trade. The ordinary Canadians who go to Tim Hortons hate free trade with a passion and love things like supply management even though they have no clue what it is. But at the same time they hate that American's pay lower prices than Canadians or that Amazon doesn't work that well in Canada. This hypocrisy is repeatedly pointed out on the Canada.com reddit to no avail.

The truth is that free trade is one of those things the Elite has always supported and the ordinary guy has been suspicious of.

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Re: Canadian tariffs
« Reply #38 on: June 18, 2018, 08:53:14 AM »


Family farms one of many concerns in unified fight against Trump's trade threats: Don Pittis

 
Abandoned farms are a symbol of the kind of market forces many rural (conservative) Canadians oppose

Don Pittis - CBC News

7 Hours Ago

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/trump-tariffs-canada-1.4707631

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Re: Canadian tariffs
« Reply #39 on: June 18, 2018, 09:10:18 AM »
If Canada dismantled its supply management system, wouldn't the center of gravity of dairy production move west where dairy farming would be lower cost due to land availability/herd size scale advantages?   I think this as much an East/West issue as a North/South issue.

My own 2-cents is that Canada would be world-competitive in dairy production but it would become an BC/Alberta/Sask. industry and not a Quebec/Eastern Ontario industry anymore.   Much like the US where California/Idaho dairy farms are lower cost milk producers vs Wisconsin/upstate NY.

Of course, its never gonna happen in our lifetime.

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