Author Topic: European No-Go Zones Real Or Fictious?  (Read 4512 times)

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Re: European No-Go Zones Real Or Fictious?
« Reply #20 on: March 01, 2018, 10:48:02 PM »
The short answer is that No-Go zones in Europe are fictitious.

The newspaper, Bild, and the newsmagazine, Focus, among others, have identified (here, here and here) more than 40 "problem areas" (Problemviertel) across Germany. These are areas where large concentrations of migrants, high levels of unemployment and chronic welfare dependency, combined with urban decay, have become incubators for anarchy.

In an article entitled "Ghetto Report Germany," Bild describes these areas as "burgeoning ghettos, parallel societies and no-go areas." They include: Berlin-Neukölln, Bremerhaven-Lehe/Bremen-Huchting, Cologne-Chorweiler, Dortmund-Nordstadt, Duisburg-Marxloh, Essen-Altenessen, Hamburg-Eidelstedt, Kaiserslautern-Asternweg, Mannheim-Neckarstadt West and Pforzheim-Oststadt.

The problem of no-go zones is especially acute in North Rhine-Westphalia (NRW), Germany's most populous state. According to the Rheinische Post, NRW problem areas include:

Aachen, Bielefeld, Bochum, Bonn, Bottrop, Dorsten, Duisburg, Düsseldorf, Essen, Euskirchen, Gelsenkirchen-Süd, Gladbeck, Hagen, Hamm, Heinsberg, Herne, Iserlohn, Kleve, Cologne, Lippe, Lüdenscheid, Marl, Mettmann, Minden, Mönchengladbach, Münster, Neuss, Oberhausen, Recklinghausen, Remscheid, Rhein-Erft-Kreis, Rhein-Sieg-Kreis, Solingen, Unna, Witten and Wuppertal. -


https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-27/merkel-finally-acknowledges-german-no-go-zones-vows-eliminate


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Re: European No-Go Zones Real Or Fictious?
« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2018, 10:53:11 PM »
oh yes, zero hedge. That paragon of reliable information.

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Re: European No-Go Zones Real Or Fictious?
« Reply #22 on: March 01, 2018, 11:23:07 PM »
Did ZeroHedge unreliably quote the several German publications have documented the growing problem of "no-go" zones - areas in which it is unsafe for non-Muslim citizens to travel (above)?

Did ZeroHedge unreliably quote Chancellor Angela Merkel's interview with Germany's RTL Aktuell?

While on the topic of keeping Germany safe, Merkel said "It's always a point to me that internal security is the state's duty, the state has the monopoly of power, the state has to make sure that people have the right to it whenever they meet and move in a public space." ...

"That means, for example, that there are no no-go areas, that there can be no rooms where no one dares to go, and there are such spaces, and you have to call that by name and you have to do something about it.

And I think that Thomas de Maizière did a very good job as Minister of the Interior, but we also said now that we want a model police law, we can not stand by the different security standards in different states and that needs to be as unified as possible


Did ZeroHedge unreliably quote Rainer Wendt, President of the German Police Union?

"In Berlin or in the north of Duisburg there are neighborhoods where colleagues hardly dare to stop a car -- because they know that they'll be surrounded by 40 or 50 men." These attacks amount to a "deliberate challenge to the authority of the state -- attacks in which the perpetrators are expressing their contempt for our society"


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Re: European No-Go Zones Real Or Fictious?
« Reply #23 on: March 10, 2018, 08:49:29 AM »
Here is my take on no-go zones:
1) They are real but they primarily impact government and police not tourists and this is why when you look for who actually complains about this...its all quotes from government and police.

2) Tourist people will never observe a no-go zone both because they aren't in places most people go and because they have no impact on normal people. A normal person would be unmolested in a no-go zone. But Police or government might have so many problems in no-go zones that they can't do their jobs effectively.

AFAIK, every single comment in this thread agrees with the statements above.

But, to imply that no-go zones don't exist or aren't a problem is ridiculous. A large number of the terrorists in Europe were found to come from  no-go zones....like for instance this one:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sint-Jans-Molenbeek#Terrorism

Molenbeek is 5 square kilometers is size. Europe is 10.18 million square kilometers. Moleenbeek has 96000 people. Europe has 400 million people. So the probability of someone coming from Moleenbeek is

96000/400000000= 0.02% and yet the following terrorist incidents all involve terrorists coming from this one single area:

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According to Le Monde, the assassins who killed anti-Taliban commander Ahmed Shah Massoud both came from Molenbeek.[12] Hassan el-Haski, one of the 2004 Madrid terror bombers came from Molenbeek.[13][14] The perpetrator of the Jewish Museum of Belgium shooting, Mehdi Nemmouche, lived in Molenbeek for a time.[15] Ayoub El Khazzani, the perpetrator of the 2015 Thalys train attack, stayed with his sister in Molenbeek.[16] French police believe the weapons used in the Porte de Vincennes siege the same day as the Charlie Hebdo shooting were sourced from Molenbeek.[17] The bombers of the November 2015 Paris attacks were also traced to Molenbeek;[18] during the Molenbeek capture of Salah Abdeslam, an accomplice of the Paris bombers, protesters "threw stones and bottles at police and press during the arrest", stated the Interior Minister of Belgium, Jan Jambon.[19] Oussama Zariouh, the bomber of Brussels Central Station in June 2017,[20] lived in Molenbeek.[21]...At least three of the terrorists in the November 2015 Paris attacks — the brothers Brahim and Salah Abdeslam, alleged accomplice Mohamed Abrini, and the alleged mastermind Abdelhamid Abaaoud — are men who grew up and lived in Molenbeek.

So obviously there is a huge problem in Molenbeek and it is a real life no-go zone. Incidentally the Paris and Madrid attacks alone account for more than 300 people killed and that is in a space of around 11 years. School mass shootings (>3 people dead in a single incident) in the US have a total death toll over 4 decades of less than 300.

So all the lefties ringing their hands over US school shooting seem oddly complacent about the European no-go zones though they seem to be causing far more mass death  and at a vastly faster rate than all the mass school shootings happening in the US.
« Last Edit: March 10, 2018, 09:37:04 AM by rukawa »

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Re: European No-Go Zones Real Or Fictious?
« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2018, 09:39:34 AM »
Here is my take on no-go zones:
1) They are real but they primarily impact government and police not normal people and this is why when you look for who actually complains about this...its all quotes from government and police.

2) Normal people will never observe a no-go zone both because they aren't in places most people go and because they have no impact on normal people. A normal person would be unmolested in a no-go zone. But Police or government might have so many problems in no-go zones that they can't do their jobs effectively.

AFAIK, every single comment in this thread agrees with the statements above.

You are correct, the direct problems with no-go zones (clan culture, Islamism, mob-like crime gangs, etc) primarily impact the inhabitants of the no-go zones. Middle-class people, journalists and cosmopolitans do not know any inhabitants of these areas and never ever go there. If they know any "ethnically diverse" people, those are among the few ones who are just as middle-class as themselves. These are the perils of a heavily socially stratified society, like all Western countries have become.

That's why university-educated professionals of the politician and bureaucrat class tend to think the problem is smaller than it really is. It's a real catch-22 when most of the people noticing the true extent of a problem do not have the verbal ability to convince anyone and much less the social network to do it.

Of course, now these areas have grown to the extent where they start to put big strains on the resources of all citizens. The health care systems are built for much smaller populations, the police force is too small and trained for other purposes, social services have no idea how to handle big cultural differences. And not least, we are starting to learn about the high trust that we have taken for granted and what it means for a society when that is slipping. Or worse: getting ethnically coded. So now we are finally noticing.   
« Last Edit: March 10, 2018, 03:17:17 PM by alwaysinvert »

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Re: European No-Go Zones Real Or Fictious?
« Reply #25 on: March 10, 2018, 10:18:39 AM »
Here is my take on no-go zones:
1) They are real but they primarily impact government and police not tourists and this is why when you look for who actually complains about this...its all quotes from government and police.

2) Tourist people will never observe a no-go zone both because they aren't in places most people go and because they have no impact on normal people. A normal person would be unmolested in a no-go zone. But Police or government might have so many problems in no-go zones that they can't do their jobs effectively.

AFAIK, every single comment in this thread agrees with the statements above.

But, to imply that no-go zones don't exist or aren't a problem is ridiculous. A large number of the terrorists in Europe were found to come from  no-go zones....like for instance this one:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sint-Jans-Molenbeek#Terrorism

Molenbeek is 5 square kilometers is size. Europe is 10.18 million square kilometers. Moleenbeek has 96000 people. Europe has 400 million people. So the probability of someone coming from Moleenbeek is

96000/400000000= 0.02% and yet the following terrorist incidents all involve terrorists coming from this one single area:

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According to Le Monde, the assassins who killed anti-Taliban commander Ahmed Shah Massoud both came from Molenbeek.[12] Hassan el-Haski, one of the 2004 Madrid terror bombers came from Molenbeek.[13][14] The perpetrator of the Jewish Museum of Belgium shooting, Mehdi Nemmouche, lived in Molenbeek for a time.[15] Ayoub El Khazzani, the perpetrator of the 2015 Thalys train attack, stayed with his sister in Molenbeek.[16] French police believe the weapons used in the Porte de Vincennes siege the same day as the Charlie Hebdo shooting were sourced from Molenbeek.[17] The bombers of the November 2015 Paris attacks were also traced to Molenbeek;[18] during the Molenbeek capture of Salah Abdeslam, an accomplice of the Paris bombers, protesters "threw stones and bottles at police and press during the arrest", stated the Interior Minister of Belgium, Jan Jambon.[19] Oussama Zariouh, the bomber of Brussels Central Station in June 2017,[20] lived in Molenbeek.[21]...At least three of the terrorists in the November 2015 Paris attacks — the brothers Brahim and Salah Abdeslam, alleged accomplice Mohamed Abrini, and the alleged mastermind Abdelhamid Abaaoud — are men who grew up and lived in Molenbeek.

So obviously there is a huge problem in Molenbeek and it is a real life no-go zone. Incidentally the Paris and Madrid attacks alone account for more than 300 people killed and that is in a space of around 11 years. School mass shootings (>3 people dead in a single incident) in the US have a total death toll over 4 decades of less than 300.

So all the lefties ringing their hands over US school shooting seem oddly complacent about the European no-go zones though they seem to be causing far more mass death  and at a vastly faster rate than all the mass school shootings happening in the US.

If Moleenbeek is a no-go zone, I'm not sure how I made the round trip from Brussels center city to the Atomium in one piece. Lucky, I guess.

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Re: European No-Go Zones Real Or Fictious?
« Reply #26 on: March 10, 2018, 11:48:18 AM »
The reality is that 'no-go' zones are much like boils. Intially the toxicity concentrates in one place & is just uncomfortable; but if you don't deal with it - it grows, and ultimately can kill you. And it's not the people - the most honest starving person in the world will steal to feed their children when there's no other choice; they have nothing to lose.

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Re: European No-Go Zones Real Or Fictious?
« Reply #27 on: March 11, 2018, 04:18:34 PM »
If Moleenbeek is a no-go zone, I'm not sure how I made the round trip from Brussels center city to the Atomium in one piece. Lucky, I guess.

Feel like I answered that already....

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1) They are real but they primarily impact government and police not tourists and this is why when you look for who actually complains about this...its all quotes from government and police.

2) Tourist people will never observe a no-go zone both because they aren't in places most people go and because they have no impact on normal people. A normal person would be unmolested in a no-go zone. But Police or government might have so many problems in no-go zones that they can't do their jobs effectively.


And to add to that from alwaysinvert:

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You are correct, the direct problems with no-go zones (clan culture, Islamism, mob-like crime gangs, etc) primarily impact the inhabitants of the no-go zones.

So the primary impact on people who are:
1) Government officials
2) Police
3) Long-term inhabitants of the area
4) The people who die in terrorist bombings

Tourists will be pretty much ok. Which explains why you didn't have a problem.

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Re: European No-Go Zones Real Or Fictious?
« Reply #28 on: March 11, 2018, 08:52:51 PM »
If Moleenbeek is a no-go zone, I'm not sure how I made the round trip from Brussels center city to the Atomium in one piece. Lucky, I guess.

Feel like I answered that already....

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1) They are real but they primarily impact government and police not tourists and this is why when you look for who actually complains about this...its all quotes from government and police.

2) Tourist people will never observe a no-go zone both because they aren't in places most people go and because they have no impact on normal people. A normal person would be unmolested in a no-go zone. But Police or government might have so many problems in no-go zones that they can't do their jobs effectively.


And to add to that from alwaysinvert:

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You are correct, the direct problems with no-go zones (clan culture, Islamism, mob-like crime gangs, etc) primarily impact the inhabitants of the no-go zones.

So the primary impact on people who are:
1) Government officials
2) Police
3) Long-term inhabitants of the area
4) The people who die in terrorist bombings

Tourists will be pretty much ok. Which explains why you didn't have a problem.

so you've been to moleenbeek, yes? Rode the tram through town? Looked at the folks getting on the trains during those stops? Maybe you answered it already...

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Re: European No-Go Zones Real Or Fictious?
« Reply #29 on: March 12, 2018, 03:26:21 PM »
all the lefties

Ah yes, this is the sort of intelligent commentary that brings me to CoBF.