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rukawa

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Re: TrumpCare
« Reply #50 on: March 25, 2017, 10:37:37 AM »
Healthcare is practically a religion...it makes zero sense if you examine it any rational way. I think most healthcare is pseudo-scientific. We have basically taken Shamanism, dressed it up as science and decided we are going to spend hundreds of billions of dollars on it.

You would have a much better healthcare system if the focus was on drastically reducing its use and finding ways to kill less people. The Canadian system as horrendous as it is is much much better at both of these things than the US.
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Cigarbutt

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Re: TrumpCare
« Reply #51 on: March 25, 2017, 11:04:05 AM »
By the way, my aim was not to drift into military spending or other. slides referred to were 14,15 and 16.
These slides show facts that are accepted across the board. These are not fake or alternative facts.
What you do with those facts is the question.
My point was to think how to improve healthcare delivery per dollar invested.
In another life, I was involved in that at the micro and macro level.

Yes, as advanced societies, we invest individually and collectively huge amounts.
Are the funds spent wisely? My answer is not really.
Do we need to have a revolution? My answer is not really.
But.

Perhaps a down to earth observation (always keeping in mind potential investment opportunities). In the US, I understand that many (perhaps many that don't feel connected to the elites) can run into major financial difficulty when they become sick. The same problem occurs too in Canada but much less so.

Isn't fascinating that about 18% of GDP spent on healthcare is not enough for basic coverage?
Some diseases go away by themselves. Some, if not treated, can leave scars.
Healthcare will tend to become a larger issue going forward. Can we manage? Absolutely.
May be some paradigm shifts however.
I like prevention, if possible.

Sunrider

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Re: TrumpCare
« Reply #52 on: March 26, 2017, 01:01:56 PM »

You would have a much better healthcare system if the focus was on drastically reducing its use and finding ways to kill less people. The Canadian system as horrendous as it is is much much better at both of these things than the US.

Proof? Stats? I've heard this before but never saw much evidence that the system leads to bad patient outcomes ... patients that pay, of course, and yes, the US system is the most expensive in the world (for structural reasons, perpetuated by relevant lobbies).

Let's not forget that it is also at the forefront of research and new care - you don't get a lot of that in a socialised system ... or when is the last time you heard of a great breakthrough in a hospital in Sweden? (No offence to anyone here - half my family is Swedish and so I know a little bit about the troubles of getting proper care there.)


Cigarbutt

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Re: TrumpCare
« Reply #53 on: March 26, 2017, 01:27:52 PM »
Sunrider,
Trying to have a balanced view here. This is not a conspiracy but medical errors are a huge issue. (Mostly still unrecognized)
It's hard to admit mistakes. (individually or in organizations)
Here's some links/stats:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/medical-errors-deaths-1.3565736
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opioid_crisis
There are elements now in place that will tend to improve this. We'll have to wait and see.

As far as the US system for training and research, my opinion is that it is the best, by far.
Some say that the system is, at the same time, the best and the worst. Food for thought.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/03/us-health-care-is-the-best-and-the-worst/430719/