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Re: Garth Turner - Real Estate in Canada
« Reply #70 on: January 21, 2013, 12:17:43 PM »
So assuming there's nothing worthwhile to short right now, when this bubble pops where should we be looking for values?

Brookfield Real Estate Services?


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Re: Garth Turner - Real Estate in Canada
« Reply #72 on: February 08, 2013, 04:51:36 PM »
Is the crash starting?

http://blogs.wsj.com/canadarealtime/2013/02/08/canadas-onslaught-of-data-mostly-points-one-direction-down/

There's been many signs for many months now. I think we're slowly reaching a point when things will start to accelerate because the mainstream sentiment will start to change. But we'll see.
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Re: Garth Turner - Real Estate in Canada
« Reply #74 on: March 11, 2013, 12:16:15 PM »
Looks like the public discourse keeps changing slowly..

http://business.financialpost.com/2013/03/11/house-prices-to-remain-flat-for-10-years-td/?__lsa=dfb8-4756

For a while it was "prices will keep going up, it's different here", then "growth in prices will slow down", and now this. A few more months and they'll talk about prices going down...
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Re: Garth Turner - Real Estate in Canada
« Reply #75 on: March 18, 2013, 10:46:54 AM »
Sales numbers looking pretty ugly, and over time it should start showing up in prices (they are very sticky on the way down, so sales will go down before prices):

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« Reply #76 on: March 21, 2013, 07:57:30 AM »
In sum, things are a little worse than we thought...but only a little bit. And it should stabilize.  ::)


http://www.propertywire.com/news/north-america/canada-real-estate-prices-201303217581.html
Canadian property prices not expected to move much in 2013 or 2014
THURSDAY, 21 MARCH 2013

The Canadian Real Estate Association (CREA) has updated its forecast for home sales activity and prices as supply responds to lower demand.
The residential real estate market had slowed as a result of changes to mortgage lending rules and guidelines which were introduced in August of last year.

The national average home price is now projected to edge down by 0.2% to $362,600 in 2013. This is slightly lower than was previously forecast. While largely flat at the national level, gains in excess of inflation are still expected in the Prairies and in Newfoundland. British Columbia, Ontario, and New Brunswick are forecast to record declines in their provincial average prices this year.

The national average price is forecast to edge back up by 1.7% to $368,700 in 2014. As in 2013, Alberta, Newfoundland, and to a lesser extent Saskatchewan and Manitoba are forecast to see the biggest gains. The forecast increase in the national average price in 2014 reflects a modest rebound in British Columbia, where its provincial share of national sales will return closer to normal and lift the national average price.

Sales activity on a national basis seems to be stable, as are average prices. However, national housing market trends continue to mask some increasingly divergent regional trends.

CREA said that sales activity in the second half of 2012 geared down by more than previously anticipated in some housing markets, resulting in a downward revision to the national sales forecast for 2013.
 
But it pointed out that the continuation of low interest rates will remain supportive for housing activity and prices this year and next year. Sales are still expected to improve later this year in tandem with stronger economic growth.

National sales activity is forecast to reach 441,500 units in 2013, a 2.9% fall from 454,573 sales in 2012, and some 5% below the 10 year average from 2003 to 2012. It was also a downward revision from the previous forecast for a 2% fall.

Alberta and Manitoba are the only provinces where sales are expected to rise in 2013, albeit modestly. The percentage decline in sales in Saskatchewan, Ontario, Quebec, and Nova Scotia is forecast to exceed the national result this year. The percentage decline in sales in British Columbia, New Brunswick, and Newfoundland and Labrador is forecast to be less than the national result.

CREA said that strong sales in the first half of last year will cast a long shadow over year on year comparisons during the first half of 2013 in many parts of the country. The smaller annual decline being forecast for British Columbia and New Brunswick reflects a weakening trend in these provinces during the first half of 2012 that was not apparent elsewhere.

In 2014, CREA forecasts that national activity will rebound by 4.5% to 461,200 units, reflecting a slow but steady improvement in activity. This would still leave national sales about one per cent below their 10 year average, with activity not expected to return to levels recorded in the first half of 2012 at any point in the forecast horizon.

British Columbia is forecast to see the strongest sales increase in 2014 with growth of 9.5%, albeit from a low base, with most other provinces forecast to post gains in the range between three and five per cent as the continuation of moderate economic, job, population, and income growth offsets small and gradual interest rates increases next year.

‘Mortgage rules are expected to remain as they are, so sales should be less volatile than they have been in recent years. Interest rates are also expected to remain low as the economy grows and adds jobs, which is supportive for the resale housing market,’ said Gregory Klump, CREA’s chief economist.

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Re: Garth Turner - Real Estate in Canada
« Reply #77 on: April 06, 2013, 09:26:27 AM »
http://business.financialpost.com/2013/04/05/canadian-housing-downturn/

Signs of a Canadian housing downturn are everywhere
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« Reply #78 on: April 07, 2013, 12:43:01 AM »
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Re: Garth Turner - Real Estate in Canada
« Reply #79 on: April 07, 2013, 07:35:00 PM »
I don't think there is any way to take advantage of this except by not buying a house in Canada. I strongly doubt there will be a crash. In Canada mortgages have recourse. House owners will simply not sell their houses and attempt to rent them out. The result will be a prolonged period of flat prices in housing....probably for 15 or so years.