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Parsad

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Kingsway Financial Cuts Dividend
« on: August 07, 2009, 02:35:15 PM »
I've never liked management at KFS, but I know a bunch of boardmembers have followed this thing since the early days of the MSN BRK Board.  They've killed their dividend after their recent quarter.  Probably a good thing.  Cheers!

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Re: Kingsway Financial Cuts Dividend
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2009, 04:40:06 PM »
you don't even like their management even after the boardroom shake up?

Not that I am super familiar with the situation, but from the stuff I have read, the company seems to be talking the talk and walking the walk of a value investor.

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Re: Kingsway Financial Cuts Dividend
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2009, 05:18:31 AM »
Things are changing at KFS because the Stilwell group got involved.

They're slowing steering the ship.

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Re: Kingsway Financial Cuts Dividend
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2009, 10:33:35 AM »

Big question is if they can offset their downward spiral quickly enough, & what surprizes are hiding in the run-off.
While we wish them luck, we also expect to see another few rounds of capital injection

SD

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Re: Kingsway Financial Cuts Dividend
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2009, 10:54:49 AM »

Big question is if they can offset their downward spiral quickly enough, & what surprizes are hiding in the run-off.
While we wish them luck, we also expect to see another few rounds of capital injection

SD


As long as they keep buying back their debt at 50-65 cents on the dollar, I suppose that capital injections are a pretty good idea (negating some of the dilution effects that could take place). If they somehow manage to escape much in the capital injection route, then they were effectively paid 40 bucks to borrow and payback 100, all while getting the use of the money for a few years; even though former management seemed to do a bad job of managing said money.

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Re: Kingsway Financial Cuts Dividend
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2009, 03:50:49 PM »
you don't even like their management even after the boardroom shake up?

No, my comments were directed at previous management over the last decade.  I don't know much about the current group.  Cheers!
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Re: Kingsway Financial Cuts Dividend
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2009, 05:53:10 PM »
The new management is probably an improvement over the old management, but at this point does it matter?  Does anybody really have any idea just how crappy their book of business is?  How much more adverse development will we see from Lincoln General.

We have lived this experience with FFH and TIG.  New management (*good management*) bought TIG, but it was such a dog that even good management couldn't fix it.  The adverse development was a depressingly recurrent theme in several ARs.  Thankfully Prem salvaged what he could by creating ORH and running off the rest.

Do not underestimate the extent to which Starr and Jackson might have f*cked this company.

SJ