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bargainman

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« Reply #320 on: April 19, 2012, 05:49:52 AM »
If you look at the remaining business, you're still talking about 700+ owned stores, billions of owned inventory, Craftsman, Die Hard, Kenmore, and one would assume a profitable business. If the business can simply generate enough cash to fund the pension (which implies GAAP profits of zero given the level of depreciation vs. cap ex)... If the business can fund the pension from operations, then at some point, having 70% of your market cap in cash, huge remaining assets, and some level of free cash flow is going to explode this stock higher.

Are you taking account a decline in sales/profitability?  Or are you assuming that the stores will continue to sell at their current level?  Do you think their brands will keep their current market share with a smaller store footprint? 

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« Reply #321 on: April 19, 2012, 10:48:44 AM »
you don't mention Sears debt:

$ 3 400 m

and the pension plan deficit: $ 2 200 m

So with $ 4 000 m cash it remains  $ 1 600 m liability.

$1.1 billion of that debt is seasonal. Only $2 billion of LT debt

Pension liability is material, but it's based on projections and discount rates. A 1% change in interest rates would lower that pension deficit by $500 million. The stock market also should continue to improve as the economy continues to improve. Show me 4% Fed Funds and a decent housing market/economy, and SHLD's pension liability will vanish. In the meantime, what's happening today, is that SHLD needs to fund it's pension with $310 million this year. My point is simple. If closing almost 200 stores will bring the core business back to profitability, enough to fund the pension, then why would the business not be undervalued with up to 70% of it's market cap in cash and huge assets still on the books?

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« Reply #322 on: April 19, 2012, 10:51:02 AM »
If you look at the remaining business, you're still talking about 700+ owned stores, billions of owned inventory, Craftsman, Die Hard, Kenmore, and one would assume a profitable business. If the business can simply generate enough cash to fund the pension (which implies GAAP profits of zero given the level of depreciation vs. cap ex)... If the business can fund the pension from operations, then at some point, having 70% of your market cap in cash, huge remaining assets, and some level of free cash flow is going to explode this stock higher.


Are you taking account a decline in sales/profitability?  Or are you assuming that the stores will continue to sell at their current level?  Do you think their brands will keep their current market share with a smaller store footprint?

I'm taking into account an increase in profitability because almost 200 stores are closing. Hard to imagine SHLD is closing profitable stores. I think their brands will increase market share because they are being sold in multiple places, Costco, Ace Hardware, etc.


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« Reply #323 on: April 19, 2012, 12:28:03 PM »
Sears short term debt was seasonal last year, not this year. That is the problem.
I'm not sure the pension gap will vanish with a better economy. The pension fund is invested at 70% in bonds, so an increase in interest rates would be à negative even if the liability side would be positively impacted.

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« Reply #324 on: April 19, 2012, 03:30:30 PM »
Sears short term debt was seasonal last year, not this year. That is the problem.
I'm not sure the pension gap will vanish with a better economy. The pension fund is invested at 70% in bonds, so an increase in interest rates would be à negative even if the liability side would be positively impacted.

A better economy = higher S&P 500 and higher interest rates. I asked the C.F.O. at the annual meeting about the pension. He said a 1% change in interest rates would impact pension liability by "about $500 million" SHLD has put hundreds of millions into the pension over the years, and the liability has grown. Why? They keep lowering the discount rate and the S&P 500 is lower today than five years ago. It's perfectly reasonable to expect the inverse as things continue to improve. That pension liability is over $20 per share. 1/3 of the stock price.

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« Reply #325 on: April 20, 2012, 12:28:46 AM »
yes, it is reasonnable to think a better economy will decrease the liability. On the asset side, will the increase in the stock market (30%of the pension plan assets) compensate the decrease in the bond market (70% of the pension plan liabilities) ? It is a tough question.

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« Reply #326 on: April 20, 2012, 05:00:55 AM »
If the plan is massively underfunded, then by definition the decrease in liability due to higher interest rates will swamp any hit to assets, even if the assets are 100% bonds. Since pension funds try to match the duration of assets and liabilities, I doubt the shape of the yield curve could change in such a way that long rates rise but the plan funded status declines.

Isn't their pension hard frozen? If no more benefits are accruing under the plan, I would think shareholders should prefer they fund it when they can get some yield on the long bond.

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« Reply #327 on: April 20, 2012, 06:55:12 AM »
I have  tried to like Sears and own a small amount. Eddie is thinking through capital allocation for you. He has  not always been  right, but I don't think he has made errors in an effort to lose money for himself or his investors.

Sears is an interesting conundrum due to its size. Even though the media would make yo think no one goes there they still have $40B in sales. Then comes the confusion for me...Sears still has lots of sales, but sales are down materially and costs have risen on a relative basis. Store closings as leases run out should generate cash. The question becomes is there a core of stores that can be profitable. I think this is an extremely hard question to answer. In  my opinion they need a turn in housing sooner rather than later to keep  the stores viable. If not we need to see Eddie start cutting to the bone. I think to date he has tried to preserve jobs and the company.

They are able to sell assets and close stores to generate cash. Selling one store (effectively) for $270M is an indicator that Sears probably has a lot of asset value (80/20 rule). At  the same time selling assets implies that Eddie likely thinks cash flow will be sub par for at least another year.

Now we come to the one portion operation that has taken me off of a bullish stance currently, Sears Canada. This was the hidden gem of the company.  It was consistently generating $450M+ in EBITDA. There  has been a rapid decline in sales and especially in profitability. Canada may have a bit of a housing bubble. My other concern are the statements by Target and WalMart that they are pushing aggressively into Canada. Sears' ownership of Cantrex may be a cushion as this is an  independent distributor model. This would seem to give  them an advantage in sparsely populate rural areas, but with WalMart you always need to be leery. If Sears  Canada doesn't revert to generating significant cash flow, I would become less optimistic on the ability of even Eddie Lampert to do much more than liquidate. I also believe that liquidating a company of this size/reach may be profitable, but also quite painful.

This is less financial analysis, but more a framework of how I currently view Sears. My view on the stock price is probably similar to others. The limited float and fluctuating short interest drives the stock price all rapidly up and down and to extremes. My other belief is that this is now a very levered call option on an economic recovery/turnaround and the leverage implied may actually make the large swings in price more understandable.

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« Reply #328 on: April 20, 2012, 06:57:01 AM »
One  more quick note. I will be attending the Sears meeting this year in Hoffman Estates. If anyone has reasonable questions I would be happy to try and ask them. I don't know what type of response we will get, but it never hurts to ask.

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« Reply #329 on: May 02, 2012, 08:44:54 AM »
Ok, I was surfing the web and found this:

http://jobs.aol.com/articles/top-10-companies-hiring/#photo-1

Sears is #1 on the list!  Supposedly they say they have 2,552 openings!  And get this quote:

"My favorite thing about working with Sears.. is the stability.  The company has been around for over 100 years.. has great benefits..  work life balance is excellent.  They have really great quality people who are easy to get along with""

That's borderline hilarious. I wonder if it's true or if it's a statement provided by SHLD's PR department...

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« Reply #329 on: May 02, 2012, 08:44:54 AM »