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Re: Space X
« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2014, 06:38:08 AM »
Check out the Dragon V2 unveil.  It's pretty damn cool.

http://www.spacex.com/webcast/


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Re: Space X
« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2014, 06:57:04 AM »
Check out the Dragon V2 unveil.  It's pretty damn cool.

http://www.spacex.com/webcast/

This is so cool. Musk and his team are absolutely changing the world.
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Re: Space X
« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2014, 07:03:43 AM »
Check out the Dragon V2 unveil.  It's pretty damn cool.

http://www.spacex.com/webcast/

Thanks for posting. Amazing stuff.
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Re: Space X
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2014, 07:28:23 AM »
Check out the Dragon V2 unveil.  It's pretty damn cool.

http://www.spacex.com/webcast/

Thanks for posting. Amazing stuff.

Awesome. You just know this footage will be shown 30 years from now in a documentary about the second golden age of space flight!  :)
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Re: Space X
« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2014, 07:37:51 AM »
Im really curious how Musk basicly went into space industry and is now doing it better then everyone else. There are some pretty smart people in NASA and other rocket company's right? I guess bureacracy is just that bad in those organizations? Musk is very smart, but I imagine that a lot of people at NASA and those rocket contracting company's are also very smart.

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« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2014, 08:16:59 AM »
Im really curious how Musk basicly went into space industry and is now doing it better then everyone else. There are some pretty smart people in NASA and other rocket company's right? I guess bureacracy is just that bad in those organizations? Musk is very smart, but I imagine that a lot of people at NASA and those rocket contracting company's are also very smart.

http://www.businessinsider.com/larry-page-the-untold-story-2014-4

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As at most startups, in Google’s first year there were no management layers between the CEO, Page, and the engineers. But as the company grew, it added a layer of managers, people who could meet with Page and the rest of Google’s senior executives and give the engineers prioritized orders and deadlines.

Page, now 28, hated it. Since Google hired only the most talented engineers, he thought that extra layer of supervision was not just unnecessary but also an impediment. He also suspected that Google’s project managers were steering engineers away from working on projects that were personally important to him. For example, Page had outlined a plan to scan all the world’s books and make them searchable online, but somehow no one was working on it. Page blamed the project managers.

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Feynman's own investigation reveals a disconnect between NASA's engineers and executives that was far more striking than he expected. His interviews of NASA's high-ranking managers revealed startling misunderstandings of elementary concepts. One such concept was the determination of a safety factor.[5]

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Re: Space X
« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2014, 08:26:30 AM »
Hire talented engineers, give them a vision, remove obstacles to success, and get out of their way.

NASA did all four in the 1960's and got to the moon.  They may still hire talented engineers, but the other 3 steps are lacking.  You can have the best engineers on the planet, but if you weigh them down with meetings, paperwork, impossible requirements, managers that are more concerned with politics than science, and in general make them believe that they are spinning their wheels endlessly and are never going to get to do anything useful, you aren't going to get much out of them.  I always cringe when I hear people say that we (and when they say 'we' they mean 'the government') should be funding science to a greater extent.  What we (and when I say 'we' I mean the Earth's civilization consisting of individual people) really need is a complete and total separation of science and state.

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Re: Space X
« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2014, 08:42:02 AM »
I guess this is a bit of a derail, but what completely blows my mind is that we let the government run education.

Isn't education basicly a product? You pay a certain price for people inserting information in your head in a certain way, by trying to motivate you (or the 12-18 year old you) and by explaining this in a certain way.

Just look how the free market basicly made every other service and product very good and cheaper. Why can't we let the market do education? Instead the most important thing (maybe after healthcare) is run by a horrible bureacracy that does not care at all about innovation. I think greenblatt is doing good things here, and the bureacrats and teachers unions are actively working against his superior and cheaper model. Makes me cringe.

But as soon as a politician mentions it, people point toward corrupt bankers and think horrible things will happen.

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Re: Space X
« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2014, 09:34:31 AM »
I guess this is a bit of a derail, but what completely blows my mind is that we let the government run education.

Isn't education basicly a product? You pay a certain price for people inserting information in your head in a certain way, by trying to motivate you (or the 12-18 year old you) and by explaining this in a certain way.

Just look how the free market basicly made every other service and product very good and cheaper. Why can't we let the market do education? Instead the most important thing (maybe after healthcare) is run by a horrible bureacracy that does not care at all about innovation. I think greenblatt is doing good things here, and the bureacrats and teachers unions are actively working against his superior and cheaper model. Makes me cringe.

But as soon as a politician mentions it, people point toward corrupt bankers and think horrible things will happen.

But then the poor wouldn't get the wonderful education that they currently do.  You'd have a situation where the middle class and rich kids would get a good to excellent education while the poor would be stuck in dangerous poor inner-city schools with teachers who are burned out or simply don't care, which would make for a poor learning environment. So these kids will simply not have the same opportunities to learn and better themselves as the wealthier kids do.  Of course under government run systems everything is rainbows and unicorns and just works perfectly because the law says it must.


EDIT:  I don't believe that ending public education would result in the above, I actually think everyone, including the poor, would be much better off. But I just wanted to point out that even if all of the worst fears of ending government funded education that people hold in their head's were all completely valid and came to be, it would only mean that private education would be the equivalent of the public system we have now.

Also in case you were not aware of this organization:  The Alliance for the Separation of School & State
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Re: Space X
« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2014, 09:54:54 AM »
Hire talented engineers, give them a vision, remove obstacles to success, and get out of their way.

What we (and when I say 'we' I mean the Earth's civilization consisting of individual people) really need is a complete and total separation of science and state.

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