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DTEJD1997

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Re: Where are the UFOs?
« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2017, 02:52:16 PM »
It's crazy to think about how many other forms of life are likely out there. Some could literally be billions or trillions of years ahead of us.


It's also crazy to think that aliens would travel at least 25 trillion miles (the distance to the closest solar system astronomers think there's some potential for life) to go to our corn fields so they can make circles in them, and then turn around and go 25 trillion miles back home.

That is one thing I could never get...Why would aliens be tormenting rednecks & hillbillies in trailer parks?

If I were an alien...I would be going to Vegas, NYC, Paris, Moscow, maybe military/tech hubs.

I might also comment & upload stuff to the interwebs....would be directing/manipulating stuff behind the scenes.  Kind of like the Pierson's Puppeteers from the Ringworld anthology.

Tormenting drunk hillbillies in trailer parks would be pretty low on the list!

Sometimes they kill cows, abduct and rape people and surgically put implants in their heads.


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Re: Where are the UFOs?
« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2017, 07:26:17 AM »
It's crazy to think about how many other forms of life are likely out there. Some could literally be billions or trillions of years ahead of us.


It's also crazy to think that aliens would travel at least 25 trillion miles (the distance to the closest solar system astronomers think there's some potential for life) to go to our corn fields so they can make circles in them, and then turn around and go 25 trillion miles back home.

That happened to me once.  They left a note saying they needed some ethanol.
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Re: Where are the UFOs?
« Reply #22 on: November 29, 2017, 08:43:18 AM »
It's crazy to think about how many other forms of life are likely out there. Some could literally be billions or trillions of years ahead of us.


It's also crazy to think that aliens would travel at least 25 trillion miles (the distance to the closest solar system astronomers think there's some potential for life) to go to our corn fields so they can make circles in them, and then turn around and go 25 trillion miles back home.

That happened to me once.  They left a note saying they needed some ethanol.

They also left a stock tip for me as thanks.

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If only I had understood what they meant by "buy a googol of yahoos":'(

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Re: Where are the UFOs?
« Reply #23 on: November 29, 2017, 10:09:13 AM »
Perhaps humanity has become so good at correctly identifying alien spacecraft that nothing goes unidentified.  So, they're just FOs. 

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Re: Where are the UFOs?
« Reply #24 on: November 30, 2017, 08:53:12 PM »
Why do we not see UFOs. I don't know but perhaps it is worth thinking about it from different frames of references. We will never be free if we fail to always challenge our worldview and see if we have missed something. Most people seem to travel in circles always confused by symptoms and rarely discern cause and effect then deal with the cause.

1. The fewer UFO sightings have an obvious explanation. Few people have military grade night vision goggles. Those that do report seeing hundreds of UFOs. This is just your tax dollars at work. Those missing trillions from the defence department and elsewhere were not wasted. This produces craft with better field control capability so they are seen less often. If these craft do not exist why the bill to allow the mining of asteroids by the private sector? Seems impractical without field control. Look at the eagle taking off from the moon during Apollo. Wouldn't a rocket cause more moon dust to be disturbed? Wouldn't the acceleration be more rapid from supposed 1/6th gravity to conserve fuel? To me it looks like a blast from explosives for show and anti-gravity thereafter. Viktor Schauberger admitted developing two types of anti-gravity for the Nazis in WW2. See the Fertile Earth.

2. Did you know the Michaelson Morley experiment was repeated and the result was the reverse? Others may be here just at a higher etheric frequency. That higher etheric frequency would have the same EMF as us but shifted higher so that the gravitational frequency below radar for us is probably near our infrared. Accordingly their earth is larger than ours so the surface is somewhere in our orbit. Their frequency is higher so their experience of time is faster than ours. So to communicate with them I would seek EMF in orbit and record it them slow it down and maybe it would be discernible. Perhaps they are able to control thought forms better than us and communicate that way. Now if our souls are at still higher frequencies perhaps if we can improve our ability to communicate with it that soul could better assist us as the soul being at a higher etheric level would be able to control a lower etheric level. This would suggest why it is wise to stop drinking and refrain from ejaculation to amp up the cerebral spinal fluid which is likely the transmitter/receiver. This might explain why the first thing the US did when they invaded Iraq was to make alcohol widely available and to broadcast porn. Think of the Fremen in Dune. What was Frank Herbert trying to tells us when he described the Fremen sexual practices? They refrained from ejaculation. They also consumed melange which increased spirit making their eyes blue, not alcohol which depresses spirit and brings out the darker aspects of the personality.

3. Perhaps these other intelligences are here. Perhaps the parasites etc. in our bodies are controlled by thought forms from these etheric frequencies so we are their fertilizer the same as worms provide fertilizer for us. This is another reason to follow the example of the Fremen and learn to disrupt the thought forms of those who persecute us. Isn't that the lesson in Dune to learn how to control the worm and earn our freedom? Toxoplasmosis for instance causes mice to lose their fear of cats. There are other examples of behaviour where the survival instinct is suppressed. I suspect other parasites cause people to want sugar, rampant sex in various orifices, etc. in conduct which is self destructive but beneficial to the parasite life cycle. Parasites seem to have more mind control ability than we realize. Where does that seeming intelligence come from? With toxoplasmosis how does it know to make us love and care for cats often hundreds of cats whereas in mice it causes them to lose their fear of mice then get eaten. Notice both behaviours is what is best for the parasite. Do you think their brains are in the parasites or at higher etheric levels? Test this by getting spirit of turpentine and think about taking a teaspoon on sugar. Does your brain seem to tell you that this is a bad idea? Where did that thought form come from? So who is in control, the worms and parasites that will be killed by the spirits of turpentine or you who will benefit from the treatment? And why are spirit of turpentine illegal in Canada? Was Merck crazy to put it in so many treatments in its 1899 Encyclopedia or more caring than our current set of leaders and bureaucrats? Pre WW1 writers seem better educated, more intelligent and clearer thinking than those after. Chekov was controlled by a worm in the Wrath of Khan. Perhaps the writers of Star Trek were given examples of recent discoveries by NASA etc. and fictionalized the discoveries.

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Re: Where are the UFOs?
« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2017, 01:49:37 AM »
Hi Aberhound,

You've clearly read a lot and retained a lot from your reading and synthesized a lot in your brain into a framework of mental models.

I think there are some issues with the veracity of some of the things your reading has presented to you, however, which might require you to expunge certain points you've read about and reframe some of the mental frameworks you've created around them. It is a difficult process to go back and update one's mental models of reality, but it is worthwhile as you clearly have an intelligent mind capable of holding a lot of information, and I hope some background reading, perhaps in well referenced Wikipedia articles and their references, might help you do so.

1. The fewer UFO sightings have an obvious explanation. Few people have military grade night vision goggles. Those that do report seeing hundreds of UFOs. This is just your tax dollars at work. Those missing trillions from the defence department and elsewhere were not wasted. This produces craft with better field control capability so they are seen less often. If these craft do not exist why the bill to allow the mining of asteroids by the private sector? Seems impractical without field control. Look at the eagle taking off from the moon during Apollo. Wouldn't a rocket cause more moon dust to be disturbed? Wouldn't the acceleration be more rapid from supposed 1/6th gravity to conserve fuel? To me it looks like a blast from explosives for show and anti-gravity thereafter. Viktor Schauberger admitted developing two types of anti-gravity for the Nazis in WW2. See the Fertile Earth.

a. Military grade night vision devices (using photomultipliers) were <$1,000 in mid 1990s when Russia opened up. Now integrated digital imaging sensors are mass-produced (CMOS cheapest, CCD highest sensitivity), that performance is even cheaper in devices also capable of capturing the image (still or video) - military grade now is differentiated not so much by performance but by robustness, particular communications protocols etc. Consumer grade electronics is very capable now, but one must be aware of the limitations imposed by shot noise when interpreting what one sees when using night vision equipment.

b. What's field control in this context. Which fields? Are you trying to say gravitational field control?

c. Private sector rockets are improving in leaps and bounds. Space X for one. Legislation ahead of this is sensible, especially in light of international treaties drawn up in the 1960s when only nation states were considered capable of exploiting space. No need for an esoteric explanation, according to Occam's Razor.

d. Lunar gravity is easy to estimate - don't need Gen Relativity, Newtonian gravity is fine. Let's see how it calculates...
r = Radius of moon = 1,737,000 m
M = mass of moon = 7.35e+22 kg
m = mass of small object on moon, e.g. Apollo lunar module - at least 18 orders of magnitude smaller than M
F = force of gravity acting between masses m and M
G = Newton's gravitational constant = 6.674e-11 Nm/kg
g = acceleration due to gravity = F / m

F = G x M x m / r
Divide both side by m to obtain g = F/m, meaning that for small m, m doesn't affect g just like on earth.

g = F/m = G x M / r
g = 6.674e-11 * 7.35e+22 / (1.737e+6)
g = 4.905e+12 / 3.017e+12
g = 1.63 m/s

Compare that to 9.81m/s on earth, and it's 0.166 of it. Very very nearly 1/6th.

The escape velocity can also be calculated to be 2,380 m/s, about one fifth of the 11,200 m/s for Earth.

You can remove the word 'supposed' from your question - it checks out, though if you have any questions about the calculation do bring them up.

Then remember that Apollo landers took off leaving behind the landing legs and platform at the bottom (no point needing to lift the extra mass). Despite the initial rocket exhaust hitting the platform, it still kicked up plenty of dust, but that doesn't won't hang in the air like on earth as there's no air. It still had to accelerate to a reasonable speed to match speed with the lunar orbiter, but didn't have any air resistance to overcome, just the modest gravitational acceleration to overcome, which lessens as you get further away (as r increases in the equation).

For that reason, the rocket thrusters were designed for the lunar gravity - much weaker than the Saturn V - to produce a controlled burn calculated to leave the moon with the correct speed to catch up with the lunar orbiter. Timing of lift-off had to be within a certain time window so they'd reach the altitude of the orbiter at about the same place where the orbiter would be when they got there and could then use a small burn to complete the rendezvous.

Anyone can 'admit to' something implausible that nobody is going to deny (or that they'd be keeping a secret). I could 'admit to' making a warp drive for the Nazis, having time travelled decades before my birth to produce it for them. Is there any evidence they used it? No - their testing determined that it was highly dangerous with the control technology of the time and it was never used in combat, but Werner von Braun took the technology to the US Government after the war and some of his colleagues took it to the Russians. Or am I simply delusional. Oh yeah, it could be that. Am I also a pseudoscientist like Viktor Schauberger who, while promoting some biomimicry  ideas that are now used such as biomimetics - engineering inspired by the solutions evolved in nature, also invented supposed perpetual motion machines that appear without close analysis to violate rock solid thoroughly tested laws like the Second Law of Thermodynamics. I'm afraid one has to be extremely careful in looking into his writings if they go beyond mere observation of botany, however plausible they may seem. Although he was well-read he had no formal science education. The webpages about him are filled with pseudoscientific language about 'subtle energies' and 'quantum' bollocks. The alarm bells are ringing as if they were generated by a 'wisdom of Chopra' random 'pseudo-profound bullshit generator' I'm afraid. It's not to say all his writings are flawed, but you simply MUST verify carefully, before believing what he claims, which don't seem to have gone through any form of robust peer review or challenge.

2. Did you know the Michaelson Morley experiment was repeated and the result was the reverse? Others may be here just at a higher etheric frequency. That higher etheric frequency would have the same EMF as us but shifted higher so that the gravitational frequency below radar for us is probably near our infrared.

The Michelson-Morley experiment to measure the speed of the supposed ether was repeated many many times because the result was so astounding to what scientists has assumed must be the case. And the result always came out the same, showing there IS NO ETHER - no medium pervading space on which light waves oscillate as everyone had assumed there must be. This shocked physics in the late 1800s, hence the numerous replications to try to find the flaws in their experiment. This result and its successful replication many times over was a fundamental reason why Einstein looked at Maxwell's Equations and worked out their implications for space and time given that the speed of light in a vacuum was now shown to be constant regardless of the motion of the observer against the background universe. From this came the Special Theory of Relativity and eventually the General Theory of Relativity without which your GPS positioning would drift by kilometres per day and which has been extensively tested and shown to make correct predictions, whether in particle physics, atomic clocks flown on jumbo jets or GPS satellites, or in gravitational wave predictions for colliding black holes and neutron stars now shown to be amazingly accurate.

There IS NO ETHER. It is thoroughly established physics tested tens of thousands of different ways. This discovery was a building block towards Relativity and Quantum Mechanics which are extremely well tested themselves and produce some highly unexpected effects in extreme conditions that turn out to be true and really observed in nature.

I will not comment on the rest of your points which mostly rely on the existence of the ether, which is not something grounded in physical reality. If they were true they could have made the basis of some fascinating science fiction, for example.

Toxoplasmosis is fascinating, and shows how the brain is reliant on chemical pathways and signalling and how evolution can happen across ways to 'hack' these mechanisms. It's fascinating stuff and leads scientists to great insights at times, but this truth is sadly more prosaic than your intuition that it could be down to transmission through the ether from great intelligences.

I really hope you take this in the spirit it's offered as an opportunity to develop and update your thinking, as you clearly have a mind capable of working with a lot of concepts and should be able to replace the flawed concepts you've read about and think through the consequences of your updated thinking. It's not a bad thing to learn as an investor either!

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Re: Where are the UFOs?
« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2017, 05:31:49 AM »
Aberhound,

Interesting post that triggers a reflection on different types of reasoning: deductive, inductive and abductive.

Brain involvement from toxoplasmosis can be explained by the presence of cysts concentrated in the amygdala, an area of the brain important in the regulation of attitudes, behaviors and smell. By the way, the parasite is single-celled and can be transmitted through contact with cat feces. I submit that strangers who might just have travelled light-year distances may come up with more sophisticated schemes.

From a guy who lost his comb: A little knowledge can be dangerous. So is a lot.

Still, you raise interesting points and often fiction surpasses reality.

https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/news_and_polls/2015-06/6902-topline.pdf

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3035417/ufo-hunters-claim-george-bush-awkwardly-dodged-tv-talk-show-jimmy-kimmels-questions-about-government-alien-files/

Maybe, this re-enchantment with UFOs has something to do with secularization and the new cultural cycle were in.

Ricardo Montalban, who starred as Khan, used to play Mr. Roarke in Fantasy Island with Tattoo. In that show, the mysterious Roarke granted fantasies. I really loved the series. But there were supernatural overtones.

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Re: Where are the UFOs?
« Reply #27 on: December 01, 2017, 05:35:08 AM »
I thought he was joking?

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Re: Where are the UFOs?
« Reply #28 on: December 03, 2017, 02:43:13 PM »
The milky way is 100000 light years a across in distance. That means from our point of view the trip across the milky was would take 100,000 years if you travelled at max speed. But from the point of view of a rocket travelling at lets say 0.99999999 of the speed of light relative to us the time take to travel across the milky way would be:

100000*sqrt(1-0.999999999^2) = 44 years. So the real question is how hard is it to get someone to travel at that high a speed. You need very high rates of accelerations for very long periods of time....my guess is much much longer than the trip itself. It would be a really stupid idea to do this with human beings. Its most sensible to send robots.

Anyways you don't have to travel across the whole Milky Way. The nearest star is 4 light years away. I'm guessing you can find a planet with life within 1000 light years. But lets say you can't get close to the speed of light and so you can't take advantage of time dilation. Still....a few thousand years of travel might be reasonable for a robot designed by sufficiently advanced civilization. What you would probably do is send trilllions of very small robots that could accelerate to very high speeds using some nuclear process for energy and maybe could even reproduce in space and you would have these robots include some representation of the coordinates of your solar system relative to some galactic coordinate frame. It would be complicated but possible.

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Re: Where are the UFOs?
« Reply #29 on: December 03, 2017, 06:13:44 PM »
Accelerating at Earth's gravitational acceleration around 9.81m/s^2 you approach light speed of 3x10^8 m/s in 350 days if you have sufficient thrust and power. It's therefore survivable for a human body to accelerate and decelerate to relativistic speeds, turn round and return within a human lifetime. The dangers of micrometeorites at such speed is huge, and the source of thrust is beyond us at present.

As for self replicating machines exploring, that's what the Fermi paradox imagined, wondering why aren't they here.