Author Topic: Where Did Jeffrey Epstein Get His Money?  (Read 4970 times)

John Hjorth

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Re: Where Did Jeffrey Epstein Get His Money?
« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2019, 12:22:01 AM »
The US legal system that gave this guy a 12 month sentence for all of this the first time? The US legal system that regularly lets celebrities and pro athletes off clean for major drug offenses if they do a 6 month rehab stint? The US legal system that lets a cop annihilate someone on video and doesn't produce even a day of probation? The US legal system that allows financial professionals and public company executives to line their pockets and pay fines without admitting guilt or having to give back all the ill gotten gains?

Add in the Clintons and many other super high profile people here, and you bet; I have ZERO confidence ANYTHING, EVER comes from any of this. They might find a few small chumps to go after just to say they did something, but that's it. Our legal system is a total disgrace. I stopped being shocked long ago. How many times the same drug/DUI/firearm offenses that ruin the life(or severely impair them) of the average citizen, while famous people like Rose McGowan, Pacman Jones, TI, etc get literally nothing, over and over and over...

EDIT: I'll also add, those people I listed are just pee on level famous. The folks Epstein was involved with are Illuminati level elites...

Greg,

Thank you for elaborating with specific examples. After reading your post I understand your position better. Some of those examples have actually hit the Danish press. I read it as yet another token of USA gradually becoming more divided [without the intent to turn this topic into politics].
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Re: Where Did Jeffrey Epstein Get His Money?
« Reply #21 on: August 12, 2019, 02:54:27 AM »
Do you trust yours? :/

On overall basis, I do, actually. The question is if this is warranted, or I'm naive. Perhaps it's not only about the Danish legal system, but also about that I live a place, where we have some kind of a "dual legal" system - the legal system and The Law of Jante. Parts of the Danish press practise The Law of Jante zealously. Here is a hilarious example. ["You can't speed up a Tesla when it's standing still" and "I haven't filed a police report for violence against me by the officers because they were two against one."  [ : - D]]

The real problem is that I may be severely biased here because I forget about such cases [related to equality for the law] in the long run - simply because I don't give a damn about them [like example above], and because I haven't really seen some appalling evidence that there exist exemptions from equality for the Law. There is a risk that the casuality in this line of thinking may be logically flawed.

So, thank you for asking, wachtwoord.
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Re: Where Did Jeffrey Epstein Get His Money?
« Reply #22 on: August 12, 2019, 03:49:44 AM »
Do you trust yours? :/

On overall basis, I do, actually. The question is if this is warranted, or I'm naive. Perhaps it's not only about the Danish legal system, but also about that I live a place, where we have some kind of a "dual legal" system - the legal system and The Law of Jante. Parts of the Danish press practise The Law of Jante zealously. Here is a hilarious example. ["You can't speed up a Tesla when it's standing still" and "I haven't filed a police report for violence against me by the officers because they were two against one."  [ : - D]]

The real problem is that I may be severely biased here because I forget about such cases [related to equality for the law] in the long run - simply because I don't give a damn about them [like example above], and because I haven't really seen some appalling evidence that there exist exemptions from equality for the Law. There is a risk that the casuality in this line of thinking may be logically flawed.

So, thank you for asking, wachtwoord.

Home bias for sure, but having lived in both the US and Germany, I would trust the legal system in Nordic countries, Germany, France and UK more so than in the US. I believe the jury system, quality of the defending lawyer and prosecutor as well as location can make the outcome of a trial quite unpredictable. A conviction for the same crime can have vastly different outcomes which is much less the case Europe. However, I am not a legal expert nor have I run into legal issues anywhere.
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Re: Where Did Jeffrey Epstein Get His Money?
« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2019, 05:07:20 AM »
Do you trust yours? :/

On overall basis, I do, actually. The question is if this is warranted, or I'm naive. Perhaps it's not only about the Danish legal system, but also about that I live a place, where we have some kind of a "dual legal" system - the legal system and The Law of Jante. Parts of the Danish press practise The Law of Jante zealously. Here is a hilarious example. ["You can't speed up a Tesla when it's standing still" and "I haven't filed a police report for violence against me by the officers because they were two against one."  [ : - D]]

The real problem is that I may be severely biased here because I forget about such cases [related to equality for the law] in the long run - simply because I don't give a damn about them [like example above], and because I haven't really seen some appalling evidence that there exist exemptions from equality for the Law. There is a risk that the casuality in this line of thinking may be logically flawed.

So, thank you for asking, wachtwoord.

Thanks for answering.

I read that Junte law thing before and it's against everything I stand for. It clearly places collectivism (and ostracizing standing out or being special) over individualism and I despise that. Is this actually taken seriously? (I may be missing something important here as reading the other article with Google translate and it didn't make much sense at all how the wealthy man defended himself).

I don't trust our (Dutch) legal system very much. Judges often make (large) mistakes (false convictions in criminal cases are not acceptable AT ALL), are above criticism and give ridiculously low punishments for heavy crimes (murder, aussault, rape etc) even though the law allows far higher punishments (how can you give a sentence less than the crime?)

On the other side of the coin the US system is clearly worse. First off the prosecutor there gets rewarded per conviction so is motivated (and will!) try to convict even if he knows full well the suspect is innocent (even if he has evidence that shows that, which he will then withhold). The system in Holland does not force the prosecutor to prosecute unless he believes that to be warranted and sharing evidence that hurts his case (and helps the suspect) is mandatory. You'll often see cases where prosecutors ask the judge to dismiss the case.

Secondly, while settlements are everywhere, in the US these are extraordinarily popular. People are told to confess (even if not guilty) and take a low punishement or go to trial and threathened with far higher punishments. Do I really have to explain to a forum of intelligent people how that will inevitably lead to a great many false confessions out of fear?

Confessions out of mental torture should not be admissable in court.
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Re: Where Did Jeffrey Epstein Get His Money?
« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2019, 07:22:39 AM »
A bit apropos the US legal system discussion, I've just read the "You have the right to remain innocent" ( https://read.amazon.com/kp/embed?asin=B01DAD218W&preview=newtab&linkCode=kpe&ref_=cm_sw_r_kb_dp_GqxuDbGTPDB3D&tag=raimonwebsite-20 ).

It's a short book which can be shortened to two sentences:

1. Do not talk to the police
2. Clearly request a lawyer and do not say anything until you get one.

Two interesting parts:

1. Everyone is a criminal. Actually everyone is guilty of terrorism with chemical weapons. Just read the appropriate law (or the book).
2. Claiming the fifth is now pretty much treated as an evidence of guilt with Supreme Court precedent no less.  ::)

This is all limited to US. Your rights might differ in your/other countries. I'm not a lawyer.
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Re: Where Did Jeffrey Epstein Get His Money?
« Reply #25 on: August 12, 2019, 07:37:01 AM »
I am not a legal expert but from what I have read if you are guilty you want a jury.  If innocent you want a judge. 

I was on a traffic ticket jury where someone was speeding and it ended up in court.  The speeding party actually admitted on the stand he was speeding.   I thought 5 minutes tops in jury discussion.  ~2-3 hours later it was a hung jury because one lady didn't think he was guilty.  She had no logical argument why.  The defense just needs to fool one jury member to get the person off.

The US legal system is not perfect (there is no perfect system of justice) but compared to China and Russia I will take it any day.

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Re: Where Did Jeffrey Epstein Get His Money?
« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2019, 01:38:58 AM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/12/business/jeffrey-epstein-interview.html

Thank you for sharing, Liberty,

I think I've never in life seen anything like this. Christ it stinks. Instead of subtitle "Common sense" it should have been labeled "The brain death of a reporter and an editor in chief". Are there even any basic principles related to protection of sources & verification in professional journalism that this piece does comply with? The source a dead man who set condition of confidentiality! [who can't defend himself here]. Other persons have been hung out to dry by name here. I hope somebody here sue the heck out of NYT.

Not subscription protected. Ticket selling when it's worst. Is the overall perception in the US that decency is the name of a village in Sibiria? Why can't people just let FBI do its work? [ a part from this must be about ticket selling...]
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Re: Where Did Jeffrey Epstein Get His Money?
« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2019, 08:17:55 AM »
Drone footage of the FBI raid on Epstein's island:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn0G-my-0a0&app=desktop

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Re: Where Did Jeffrey Epstein Get His Money?
« Reply #29 on: August 13, 2019, 12:17:58 PM »
Sometimes I wonder if a second Great Depression would do us good. I think it would clear a lot of the corruption out of the system.
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