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Re: FB - Facebook
« Reply #610 on: April 16, 2018, 10:00:09 AM »
Seventh, consumers, not the platforms, should own their own data. In the case of Facebook, this includes posts, friends, and events—in short, the entire social graph. Users created this data, so they should have the right to export it to other social networks. [/i]

This may be well intentioned but really meaningless.

Show me a single social network or forum or whatever that allows you to export your data (ah, btw Facebook does allow you to export your data haha 8)) in a way that is then importable somewhere else and it just works... Right. Crickets.

People who write these articles probably think that if they write it, someone will just magically do what they suggest and world will be a better place (TM). In reality, the "magically" part is really really hard. And unless there's a huge strong push by a visionary team, none of it is going to happen. Especially when suggestions require interoperability, portability, etc.

Edit: homework assignment for the talented people everywhere: if I export my data from CoBF, which clearly refers to other people in CoBF, their posts, threads, etc., how exactly this can be imported into some-CoBF-clone-forum-social-network without losing most of its meaning? Bonus question: how do you preserve context without violating rights of others?
Edit2: I forgot: the solution is to put everything on blockchain. There.  8)  ::)  ;D

Color me skeptical.  8)

But I am all for world peace, rainbow unicorns, and users owning their data.

Instagram. It was able to grow by being able to import from Twitter social graph. Now all of them wised up. But it has been done in the past.

Forget data. Just being able to export your social network. One way to implement would be to come up with a unique ID for each person at Facebook level. So nothing personally identifiable would be exported but just this unique facebook ID of friends relationship would be exported. That way you can recreate the relationships in another competing network.

Count me  skeptical as well that this would happen.

I am skeptical in the existence of God. But I think it would be terrific to have a God. So something like that.

The combination of Facebook not being able to buy any more social companies + export of social graph would help a great deal to incent startups in this space. May or may not make a dent in Facebook but it would be a way to promote competition.

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Re: FB - Facebook
« Reply #611 on: April 16, 2018, 10:09:31 AM »
The fact that a phone's contacts are accessible to other apps is the way that most of these bootstrap.

The social graph is ok for some types of networks (messaging), and was ok back in the early days of social networking, when most people were starting from almost zero, but at this point, if you just ported the social graph but didn't bring over all the content (personal photos, videos, posts, etc) I think a lot of people wouldn't find that enough. Even if you decide to make a move, it's hard to break the habits of everyone else in your graph and have them post their stuff and message you somewhere else too. The land grab part of this might be over.
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Re: FB - Facebook
« Reply #612 on: April 16, 2018, 10:29:40 AM »
If you want to pwn Facebook, heavy regulation would work much more than theoretical data portability. China did it. Europe might do - a lesser version of - it.

I don't care about it much either way. I now have some money invested in FB, so I'm immediately biased, but overall I don't care much. I think the whole data ownership and portability is not very workable, not very useful and not gonna improve anything (much), but if people want to work on it, power to them. Maybe they'll do something useful, who knows.  8)
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Re: FB - Facebook
« Reply #613 on: April 16, 2018, 05:27:12 PM »
I am pretty much in agreement with both of you guys.

Given the scale FB has reached - along with all the content it has, ensures that no other social network is likely to displace it anytime soon. What data portability offers along with closing of acquisitions for FB, is to allow other social networks to grow/survive in future. Think what it would have been like if Instagram and WhatsApp are still independent. Not that it is a magic bullet. The fact that Google itself has thrown the towel, is all the proof we need.
 
At the end of the day, it is only regulation along many dimensions - data portability, privacy rules, limitations on acquisitions, etc have a chance of working. I do not think Chinese style regulation would be accepted in US. So it has to be little more subtle.

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Re: FB - Facebook
« Reply #614 on: April 16, 2018, 07:28:05 PM »
Not only that, but the mass of existing content is useful for the user experience (which we tend to forget in these days of data scandal).

So in theory, a new social network will little content but lots of people would probably be a worse experience than one where your newsfeed is optimized for you based on lots and lots of past shown preferences (ie. they can show you updates from friend X straight to the top because they know every time you've seen one in the past you left a comment, and show you articles about electric cars because you always click through to read those, but not to show you anything from that stupid uncle because even though he's in your graph, you've muted him, etc). A newer social network would kind of have to throw things at you more randomly and the average experience wouldn't be as good/personalized.
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