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twacowfca

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« Reply #150 on: November 10, 2011, 07:52:59 PM »
Quite a study in contrasts in Bermuda this week at the S&P reinsurance conference. 

Mr. Mark Byrne was on a panel, and he expressed the opinion that reinsurance was a commodity business where no company could get an advantage over the competition.  We also heard his view that his reinsurance companies should hold on to extra capital so that they wouldn't have to take a 15% haircut from the banks when they otherwise might have to go back to them to raise capital  after experiencing large losses.

Then, I had the opportunity to sit down in the office of our favorite company and listen to a philosophy that was the polar opposite of Mr. Byrne's.  Their brilliant new chief underwriting officer explained the enormous amount of work that it takes to carve out products that provide them a competitive edge.  Then he told me how they carefully educate the brokers about the advantages to their clients of those products in what is normally a commodity business.

The results speak for themselves.   Check out the absence of large loss creep on LRE's earthquake exposure vs many other companies such as Flagstone, for example.  :)
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« Reply #151 on: November 10, 2011, 08:16:49 PM »
Brilliant, thanks for sharing.  Any other insights come out of the conference in terms of policy pricing, capital losses from Euro exposure etc?  Thanks in advance

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« Reply #152 on: November 10, 2011, 08:49:29 PM »
Brilliant, thanks for sharing.  Any other insights come out of the conference in terms of policy pricing, capital losses from Euro exposure etc?  Thanks in advance

Yup.  S&P's head watchdog said they did a thorough study of P&C primary insurers reserves.  The primary P&C insurers should run out of aggregate property reserve redundancies by the end of this year, but aggregate casualty reserve redundancies will last for another year or so at current rates of release.  Property premiums seem  to have bottomed and are rising, at least where there is some cat risk.   Workers comp is in the worst shape of all casualty classes in regard to continuing losses.

The retired CEO of a very large P&C reinsurer says that Dodd Frank is a fraud on the public.  It did nothing to stop MF Global from doubling it's leverage ratio as it was on a slippery slope to ruin.  In truth, it is actually a blank check for plaintiff trial lawyers to sue anyone for anything.  He says the trial lawyers are still filling in the amount on the blank check by actually writing the continuing to be developed regulations under the unspecified terms of the bill as they pull all sorts of things out of their wish bag.

One speaker opined that mainland Chinese CEOs rarely buy P&C insurance because they believe in fate.

The Florida State authority that reinsures windstorms is ridiculously undercapitalized for the next big one.  Losses could be as much as $500B if the next big one hits Miami.  Those losses that are reinsured by the state authority would then be dumped immediately onto every insurance company that does business in Florida as an assessment to bail out the state.   

Another speaker said that the losses from the Thai floods will cancel out every dime of profit that has ever been made out of the Singapore market.  He decried the stupidity of willy nilly international deworseification.  However, another speaker said developed markets for reinsurance will be mostly flat in the future while developing markets will grow six percent per year.

Another speaker indicated that model dependency sometimes makes international reinsurers patsies in the poker game with local primary insurers.  Local insurers for NZ earthquake risk evidently appreciated the full risks there and unloaded 90% of their earthquake risk to far away reinsurers who ignored something very important about the area.  The models of the international reinsurers failed utterly to predict the magnitude of the damage because their models were developed on experience in other areas.  New Zealand has very unstable soil in the urban areas of greatest risk.  The models did not capture this.  Now the reinsurers have become the patsy holding the bag with $15B in claims on policies with premiums that were inadequate to put it mildly.

All speakers on a panel agreed that Euro area financial companies are massively exposed to a run on the European banks at the worst or a mushdown at the least.    :-\
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twacowfca

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Re: LRE.L - Lancashire Holdings Ltd
« Reply #154 on: November 14, 2011, 03:29:12 PM »

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« Reply #155 on: November 23, 2011, 11:53:47 AM »
down nearly 9% today in London,........ do we finally get a chance to get in???

is this all related to the recent general market turmoil or is there a specific connection between lre and european sovereign debt or an insurance event that justifies a drop like this????

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« Reply #156 on: November 23, 2011, 11:58:56 AM »
You wish. Special dividend...  :D

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« Reply #157 on: November 23, 2011, 12:01:11 PM »
ok, thanks...

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« Reply #158 on: February 21, 2012, 09:05:29 AM »
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They seem to have gotten better over the years.  It's possible that hitting their long term average return may be easier now than when they first started.  Their 100 and 250 year projected maximum losses have come down nicely in recent years.  It's possible to speculate that their average return going forward will be higher than in the past, especially in view of Solvency II and the prospect of a hard market in the not too distant future.   An average coupon of 20% on about $7.90 BV/SH is still better than anything else I see now, even with LRE's total return price up 50%+ in the last 12 months.

alas, it looks as if the new solvenyII rules will be watered down due to pressure from- who else- industry players. which is disappointing from the viewpoint of stronger, better managed insurers like lre who were counting on the weaker capital positions of insureres in the aggregate to help harden rates to the benefit of those less capital constrained.

makes lre a just little harder hold at 1.5x book value?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204059804577229502818976934.html

Crisis? What crisis? Ultralow interest rates and the prospect of sovereign defaults ought to be toxic for insurers' balance sheets. Yet most European insurers report robust capital positions. France's AXA and Spain's Mapfre even improved their solvency ratios in 2011. New rules designed to better judge the risks that insurers take had threatened to leave the industry with a €37 billion ($48.6 billion) capital shortfall. Now, they have been so watered down that this gap has disappeared. Investors should question why.

Current European solvency rules are inadequate. Capital requirements are set as a proportion of reserves or premiums written. Different national rules make comparing insurers' solvency hard. Outside the Netherlands and the U.K., assets aren't always marked to market. In France, insurers can include unrealized gains on bonds but omit unrealized losses. In most countries, the value of insurers' liabilities—the amount they must pay out for future claims—can be fixed when they were written. In Germany, Munich Re's capital is inflated by rules that mark its assets, but not its liabilities, to market.

Regulators' answer to this is "Solvency II," which will apply from 2014. The rules will require insurers to mark both assets and liabilities to market and introduce risk-based capital weightings. But their effect depends largely on the discount rate used to value liabilities. Initially, regulators proposed using the most conservative "risk-free" rate available, the interbank swap rate. But they have since rowed back from this in two key ways.

First, they bowed to pressure from U.K. and German life insurers, which argued that using such a low-discount rate would disproportionately harm their large annuity-style business. These businesses may now be allowed to use a higher discount rate for policies that can't be cashed in by customers and where the insurer is less vulnerable to market risks.

The second fudge is designed to protect insurers in countries like Italy and Spain, where bond spreads have widened from the swap curve, meaning their assets are worth less but the value of their liabilities is rising. Insurers may now be allowed to include a "countercyclical premium," or higher discount rate at times of market stress. Without this, up to 30% of Europe's insurers would need to start rebuilding capital, notes J.P. Morgan.

Some compromise was inevitable. The new rules risked causing wild swings in solvency based on market moves, making it hard to price products and potentially triggering unnecessary capital increases. Unlike banks, insurers can rebuild capital by stopping writing new business and collecting premiums. But the rules have moved a long way from the market-based view of risks originally intended. And a solvency regime that ignores all European sovereign credit risk looks increasingly unrealistic. Investors could end up none the wiser

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« Reply #159 on: February 23, 2012, 02:09:11 AM »
LRE Q4 results out: 13.4 growth in fully converted BV/SH for full year.  Not too shabby in a year that's a tie for worst cat year ever.  This is well ahead of all their competitors who have cat exposure. Most of their peers either lost their shirts last year or barely broke even.  All but 1.8% of LRE's return was from underwriting.  IMO, they may have over reserved $40M in Q4.  Time will tell.

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« Reply #159 on: February 23, 2012, 02:09:11 AM »