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Re: RFP - Resolute Forest Products Inc
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2013, 05:53:03 PM »
I also recall that RFP will also be benefited by strengthening of USD and they have some generation assets coming on line that will further lowering the cost.


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Re: RFP - Resolute Forest Products Inc
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2013, 08:53:50 AM »
Apparently I am experiencing a little bit of Alzheimer, I thought Chou did a "decent" write up on RFP somewhere in his letters but as SI pointed out this is far less than what I had in mind:

In the semi annual of 2012:

http://www.chouamerica.com/pdf/063012%20Chou%20Semi%20Annual%20Report%20FINAL.pdf

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Our portfolio is highly concentrated in a few names, such as Resolute Forest Products (formerly known as AbitibiBowater), Sears
Holdings and Overstock.com. Because of the high concentration, the net asset value of the Fund can be volatile. This volatility does
not bother us because our focus has always been on how cheap stocks are relative to their intrinsic value. In my view, they are
trading at significant discounts to their intrinsic value.
For example, Resolute Forest Products is currently priced at $10, but it has a book value of approximately $35, low debt, huge tax
loss carry forwards so it will not be paying taxes for years, and a highly capable management.

And in 2011 AR: http://www.choufunds.com/pdf/AR11.pdf

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AbitibiBowater Inc.
All of our equity securities in the Chou Bond Fund came from the restructuring of debt securities;
we did not buy them directly.
The common stock of AbitibiBowater (ABH) did not do well in 2011. We received most of the
ABH shares from our holdings of Abitibi-Consolidated 15.5% when it emerged from bankruptcy on
December 9, 2010. We bought the 15.5% bonds at discounted prices between 25.5 cents and 27
cents on the dollar. When it emerged from bankruptcy, we received 4.1723 shares of ABH per $100
of bonds. With the ABH shares trading for $21.75, the value of the 15.5% bonds was equivalent to
$90.75 (4.1723 x $21.75) and at year-end 2010, this looked like a big winner. However, the stock
price went down to $14.55 on December 30, 2011, a decline that really hurt our overall
performance. In spite of this, we believe the stock is extremely cheap as it has a book value of $35,
low debt, huge tax loss carry forwards, will not be paying taxes for years, and highly capable
management. Our policy is to hold shares we get from debt restructuring when we believe them to
be undervalued.
We had two terrific years in 2009 and 2010, with gains of 42.5% and 32.7% respectively. In 2011,
we gave back some of those gains. Of course we donít like such volatile returns, but believe 2011
was one of those years, in which, if there was a chance things wouldnít work out, they just didnít.


I thought there was much more, sorry!



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Re: RFP - Resolute Forest Products Inc
« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2013, 10:06:03 AM »
Chou and Watsa both bought more in Q3

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Re: RFP - Resolute Forest Products Inc
« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2013, 10:41:10 AM »
If everything goes right, there are limited additional charges this quarter related to restructuring. But if it goes not so right ... there is a partial shutdown, potential write downs, & their other plants get to shift additional inventory for slightly higher prices.

Then given that most would argue the plant is actually being wound down in stages as newsprint demand continues to fall .. why would the existing workers not fight to get the best deal possible - while they still can. ie: would it not be wiser to be shorting RFP, than going long.

You also have to wonder why RFP, as you could simply buy a Fortress Paper Deb (if it has to be pulp), & guarantee yourself a healthy return to maturity with minimal risk.

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Re: RFP - Resolute Forest Products Inc
« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2013, 11:58:32 AM »
sd perhaps you are right with your assumption. but something is in this RFP. Watsa and Chou have such a high conviction. It is now Chou biggest Holding. And Watsa own 30% of RFP. They see something in it

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Re: RFP - Resolute Forest Products Inc
« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2014, 06:48:02 AM »
Good news coming for RFP on the pension funding front (computed on year-end rates)

http://www.cbc.ca/m/touch/news/story/1.2481857

"It's hard to overstate how good 2013 was for most defined benefit pension plans,"

"Stock markets soared, long-term interest rates rose sharply, and the Canadian dollar weakened which further magnified foreign returns."

"Long-term Government of Canada bond yields, a key factor in calculating the liabilities of pension plans, ended the year at 3.2 per cent, up from 2.3 per cent at the beginning of the year."

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Re: RFP - Resolute Forest Products Inc
« Reply #17 on: July 15, 2014, 04:23:40 AM »
Anyone still looking at this name? Stock has pulled back on the back of poor 1Q. Still seems like an interesting deep value to me.

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Re: RFP - Resolute Forest Products Inc
« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2014, 11:37:48 PM »
Anyone still looking at this name? Stock has pulled back on the back of poor 1Q. Still seems like an interesting deep value to me.

Your right, in terms of value it looks interesting, as it trades at roughly 60% of Book Value right now (after the pullback).
However I do have a big concern. How is it going to get back to profitability?

I don't think that the issue was a poor Q1, sales and margins were very similar to 2012.
In 2013 they owed 513m in taxes. Putting the company in a negative EPS situation.

I didn't go through the annual reports, but my big question still on the table is did RFP go through the remaining Deferred Tax Assets they had on the books?
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Re: RFP - Resolute Forest Products Inc
« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2014, 05:15:05 AM »
Anyone still looking at this name? Stock has pulled back on the back of poor 1Q. Still seems like an interesting deep value to me.

Your right, in terms of value it looks interesting, as it trades at roughly 60% of Book Value right now (after the pullback).
However I do have a big concern. How is it going to get back to profitability?

I don't think that the issue was a poor Q1, sales and margins were very similar to 2012.
In 2013 they owed 513m in taxes. Putting the company in a negative EPS situation.

I didn't go through the annual reports, but my big question still on the table is did RFP go through the remaining Deferred Tax Assets they had on the books?

Fat Pitch,

You are right that the NOL may not be realized any time soon, hence the big Valuation allowance they took. But looking at EV/EBITDA and FCF the Co is trading at pretty decent discount vs. peers. Management bot back 50mm+ worth of stock @ around $12 and are probably ready to do it again (unlikely if without Fairfax blessing). As they migrate to wood & pulp and take EBITDA up w/ a vertically integrated, cost pass-through model, the stock could find a new multiple zipcode. P/BV everyone cites is not quite so because the assets aren't worth what they put in. ROIC is terrible on the current basis and a discount is warranted.

And I don't think the asset migration to Quebec & Southern US caused by the beetles is baked in at all. Puts a bottom on asset value I hope. Timber price might go a lot higher in the future and anyone that's not vertically integrated w/ rights to harvest might be at a strategic disadvantage.

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