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Gregmal

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$20M gets you...
« on: August 02, 2018, 09:57:46 AM »
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/01/manafort-trial-judge-ellis-757141

$20M of tax payer money, and this is what we get? An incompetent special counsel who's primary argument has nothing to do with Russia collusion or the campaign, and seems to be that Manafort liked buying expensive suits??? Good lord.

I have little doubt that Manafort is guilty of these things plus probably some other wrongdoings as well, but my gosh what a joke this thing has become.


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Re: $20M gets you...
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2018, 10:00:21 AM »
20 whole million!  oh golly! 

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Re: $20M gets you...
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2018, 10:08:25 AM »
Why do you think the special counsel (I'm assuming you are referring to Robert Mueller) is incompetent?

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Re: $20M gets you...
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2018, 10:09:50 AM »
Cost of Trump's golfing: $70M

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Re: $20M gets you...
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2018, 10:12:13 AM »
You are severely misunderstanding the charges against Manafort. It will get better in Manafort's DC case and beyond.

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« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2018, 11:02:47 AM »
Why do you think the special counsel (I'm assuming you are referring to Robert Mueller) is incompetent?

Because his job is to investigate meddling in the 2016 election/issues with Russia. And this is his biggest "catch" so far, and it has nothing to do with any of that. The fact that this judge has to continually reprimand the prosecution for conduct, hyperbole, and irrelevant information being brought into this just further highlights it. The fact that Mueller ends up on this sort of tangent, and investigating things with Manafort that go back to 1984, just show how much he's reaching and how badly he is trying to stick anything at all together.

Like I said, I'm fully aware of what Manafort likely did. That doesn't change the fact that the whole investigation has been a joke run by people with an anti Trump bias who cant let go.

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« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2018, 04:59:02 PM »
Why do you think the special counsel (I'm assuming you are referring to Robert Mueller) is incompetent?

Because his job is to investigate meddling in the 2016 election/issues with Russia.

Says who?

Original Rosenstein letter that stipulates Mueller's mandate:

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3726408/Rosenstein-letter-appointing-Mueller-special.pdf


A follow-up letter from Rosenstein that clarifies the mandate:

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4429623/Rosenstein-Aug-2-2017-Memo-on-Mueller-Authority.pdf

Note the second bullet point on the second page. Rosenstein explicitly confirms that payments to Manafort from the Ukranian government are within the scope of Mueller's mandate.

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Re: $20M gets you...
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2018, 05:54:03 PM »
Eli are you going to watch Death of a Nation? I feel like you'd learn a lot from it. Liberty too.

Gregmal

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« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2018, 06:00:48 PM »
https://nypost.com/2018/08/02/judge-doesnt-want-to-hear-any-more-about-manaforts-wardrobe/

The prosecutions primary tactic? Ask the judge?

Ellis also told prosecutors to not “gild the lily” as they seek Manafort’s conviction.

“All the evidence of fancy suits or the pagodas, or whatever it is, really is irrelevant and kind of besmirches the defendant,” Ellis said.

“It kind of engenders some resentment against rich people.”

Further quotes

“Enough is enough,” the judge said at one point.

“We don’t convict people because they have a lot of money and throw it around.”

Typical liberal tactics.

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Re: $20M gets you...
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2018, 12:43:03 AM »
Eli are you going to watch Death of a Nation? I feel like you'd learn a lot from it. Liberty too.

Yeah, that's a real balanced and objective request!  They aren't asking you to watch Fahrenheit 11/9.  Cheers!
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