Author Topic: Canada spend among the lowest on defense in NATO  (Read 2860 times)

doc75

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Re: Canada spend among the lowest on defense in NATO
« Reply #20 on: July 13, 2018, 07:04:55 AM »
As for trade, forget about it. Fat chance your Allies will show up to the fight for you after you've sucker punched them all.

Well my comments were in a hypothetical world where Trump didn't come out blazing against his allies, but instead had used his unorthodox style to unite them on the big prize. 

Even still, if he were to change his tone I think all would be forgotten.  He clearly likes the bad-cop good-cop routine. He just likes doing it alone.  Other leaders must know not to take his antics personally. 


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Re: Canada spend among the lowest on defense in NATO
« Reply #21 on: July 13, 2018, 07:30:34 AM »
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Here's what I don't get about the taking advantage bit. Is the US planning to cut military expenditure? It's not. Donald Trump himself has stated many times that he wants the US spend more on military. So if the US doesn't save any money if Germany or Canada spend more how are Germany, Canada or other freeloaders or whatever?

To counter China the US will have to increase military spending.  If they can get their allies to take care of some of that increase, this will result in a lower increase.  It may also make the situation less dangerous if the defense is spread across multiple countries.

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As for trade, forget about it. Fat chance your Allies will show up to the fight for you after you've sucker punched them all.

If you are somehow implying that NATO allies will ignore an article 5 due to hurt feelings then NATO is every bit as corrupt and obsolete as Trump suggests. 

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Re: Canada spend among the lowest on defense in NATO
« Reply #22 on: July 13, 2018, 07:56:17 AM »
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As for trade, forget about it. Fat chance your Allies will show up to the fight for you after you've sucker punched them all.

If you are somehow implying that NATO allies will ignore an article 5 due to hurt feelings then NATO is every bit as corrupt and obsolete as Trump suggests.

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Re: Canada spend among the lowest on defense in NATO
« Reply #23 on: July 13, 2018, 11:14:02 AM »
I saw that doc.  I have read it and re-read it.  If you put both sentences together it implies that the 'allies' won't honor their defense commitments as they are having a temper tantrum over tarriffs.  I just don't know how else to interpret that.

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Re: Canada spend among the lowest on defense in NATO
« Reply #24 on: July 13, 2018, 11:38:54 AM »
I saw that doc.  I have read it and re-read it.  If you put both sentences together it implies that the 'allies' won't honor their defense commitments as they are having a temper tantrum over tarriffs.  I just don't know how else to interpret that.

Allies = other G7 countries.  "The fight" = the trade war.  The context being a reply to my point about them working together on trade, prefaced by "as for trade".  Seems to me you have to stand on your head to interpret it as you did, but apparently you feel the same way about me. 

We'll have to let RB reply as regards his intended meaning. 


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Re: Canada spend among the lowest on defense in NATO
« Reply #25 on: July 13, 2018, 11:49:55 AM »
I see now.  I hadn't connected your comments together.  It is regarding to China.  I stand corrected!