Author Topic: Alabama just passed a near-total abortion ban; No exceptions for rape/incest  (Read 10605 times)

Tim Eriksen

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Your argument is nonsensical!  If a legislative body decides that only 9-year old boys can perform surgery...you believe that decision is ok and representative of the populationís opinion?  The irrational continuation of your thought would be ďthis impacts 9-year old boys, their lives and careers.  Should patients actually have any say when the legislators were elected?!Ē

Of the 640,000 abortions less than 2% occur when the fetus has a chance of survival...24 weeks. 

Science also recognizes patients that are brain dead but have a heart beat.  Are you suggesting any form of palliative care, assisted suicide or mercy killing is completely wrong...including pulling the plug on brain-dead patients?  Cheers!

What in the world are you talking about?  I will not waste time trying to have a rational discussion with someone who isn't.  Good day.

When Pat Robertson thinks a conservative policy and law has gone too far, I'm perfectly fine with you considering me irrational.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2019/05/15/televangelist-pat-robertson-alabamas-abortion-ban-is-extreme-has-gone-too-far/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.12cd20cf10cf

Cheers!

Your argument was not at all about the rape an incest inclusion, nor was my response. Your argument was that the majority voting in the Senate were men and thus lacked inclusion and somehow legitimacy.     


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1. So you want to justify another killing by pointing out the injustice of another? I don;t agree with the continual wars in the Middle East, but that is completely unrelated to abortion in any way shape or form. But I'm being nonsensical? Again legality /== morality. You should not be allowed to have ownership over another person in a way which allows you to determine life or death. That is quite on par with slavery.

2. Because someones (A person brought into the world by actions of the mother) right to life supersedes someones inconvenience of 9 months (which was brought on by themselves).

1. You changed the subject from my initial statement (that women will get abortions regardless of what this law does - only now they will be unsafe and criminalized) to an argument of morality. So since you're just ignoring my points I suppose I'll do the same.

2. I said this to Greg and I guess I need to say it again, the scope of these comments are Tim's initial post: "If someone is the innocent victim of a horrible crime (rape)"
Which I have now re-quoted three times.
So when you say "someones inconvenience of 9 months (which was brought on by themselves)", it just indicates you are not really following the argument.
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If they are unemployed or have no wages per se?


The first is the garnishment wages when a job is found. If we assume that he'll never have a job or money, jail (though I'm not sure if this is really the best) is probably the course of action. This will stop him from impregnating others.

On another note, why would the woman want to be with such a man then?

What ever happened to personal responsibility?


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SafetyinNumbers or Method as he has multiple aliases is a very cruel individual.

He cannot make the difference between a baby who is about to live on his own and in certain cases could live without his mother and next day pills.

He probably has never seen recordings of a foetus trying to escape from large pliers approaching him or used to crush his head and other bones to allow it to come out easily of her mother's vagina.

In Auschwitz, SS guards were taking away from their mother arms babies and throwing them into dump trucks at the pleasure of Hitler, Himmler and Goerhing.

In thousands of clinics, dead and crushed babies are thrown into overflowing garbages cans at the pleasure of SafetyinNumbers, LC and other Liberals who pretend to want to defend the most vulnerable.

Disgusting!

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Isn't everything subjective in your worldview? If everyone is just "making it up as they go along" why hold much of an opinion on anything? In other words, if your conscience isn't anything beyond yourself, why trust it? The only thing that makes me "right" is logical consistency (if everything is subjective). Human life either has value or it doesn't. Let's not act like it does in certain situations but not in others.

Also, you probably should edit your quote a bit. It looks like I said certain things there which I didn't say.
I think there is no black and white answer to "is abortion right or wrong". But as to the topic of moral objectivity, we've had that debate in painstaking detail before, let's spare this thread the detail :D :D

At to the quoted in my post - sorry about that, I was addressing multiple people (you and Castanza) and it's difficult to get all the names in there. Castanza picked up on it however, so I don't think there was any other confusion.
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It is amazing that some folks who yell pretty hard on this thread seem so uninformed regarding rape.

Ever heard of next day pills?

Crazy cheap. The government should make these free and educate people on using them. Would save a ton of money and the whole ethical debate.

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The government should make practically all birth control free, legal, and educate women on their uses. It literally pays for itself many times over.

Never would have thought to see you advocating for such government intervention  ;D
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In thousands of clinics, dead and crushed babies are thrown into overflowing garbages cans at the pleasure of SafetyinNumbers, LC and other Liberals who pretend to want to defend the most vulnerable.

Hah! If Alabama really cared about "the most vulnerable" they wouldn't be falling behind in every social category. They'll force you to have a child you can't care for, but then won't provide education (rank: 50th), health care (rank: 46th), economic opportunity (rank: 45th), or safety from crime (rank: 45th).

It's interesting to me that it's the run-down, poorer States which support this crap. And it's usually religiously motivated. And not surprisingly, abortion bans (thanks Cardboard  ::)) is much more heavily supported by the uneducated.
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"And not surprisingly, abortion is much more heavily supported by the uneducated."

Sounds right on LC!

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Haha must have been a Freudian slip. I'll edit it to reflect reality, not your dreams  ;D ;D
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Haha must have been a Freudian slip. I'll edit it to reflect reality, not your dreams  ;D ;D
SafetyinNumbers or Method as he has multiple aliases is a very cruel individual.

He cannot make the difference between a baby who is about to live on his own and in certain cases could live without his mother and next day pills.

He probably has never seen recordings of a foetus trying to escape from large pliers approaching him or used to crush his head and other bones to allow it to come out easily of her mother's vagina.

In Auschwitz, SS guards were taking away from their mother arms babies and throwing them into dump trucks at the pleasure of Hitler, Himmler and Goerhing.

In thousands of clinics, dead and crushed babies are thrown into overflowing garbages cans at the pleasure of SafetyinNumbers, LC and other Liberals who pretend to want to defend the most vulnerable.

Disgusting!

Cardboard

You have no idea what my views are. I was taking the extreme perspective of antichoice people which is that life begins at conception to which you clearly donít agree with. At some point that becomes a life to you and itís not clear when that is.

To me there is a giant difference between 2 months pregnant and 4 months pregnant or 8 months pregnant. I also think there is a big difference when bringing a baby to term might kill the mother as to what impact that has on when an abortion can be performed.

I think itís a good idea to give women some time to make a decision on pregnancy otherwise they may abuse the morning after pill or abortion. Both of these choices arenít easy emotionally or physically and can have complications. The morning after pill also doesnít necessarily work for women over a certain weight. So I guess with your solution, women over 165 lbs who are raped have to carry the baby to term.

I also think if you are going to punish women with children they do not want through legislation that you should do the same to men in that legislation. I donít want the government deciding what people do what their lives but if thatís what elected officials decide, there at least should be some balance between the parents. I donít think jail is a good solution for fathers who do not meet this requirement because that is society paying to house and feed the father while the mother and baby are not even getting that same benefit. Plus the father is out of the childís life which will may result in other negative effects on society.

As for multiple aliases. An alias I chose when I was in University (Method, 19 years ago) and Safety which I chose when I was allowed to join investment boards again a few years ago. Iím sorry I donít meet your standard for consistent handles across various social media and investing platforms.


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