Author Topic: Alabama just passed a near-total abortion ban; No exceptions for rape/incest  (Read 9673 times)

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Let's start with something easy.

It is illegal to stop life of a premature baby in an incubator or unable to live without the machine. Then why should it be legal to conduct abortion in late pregnancy?

After we have gotten through the logic of this then we may tackle tougher debates.

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As someone who used to be on the fence with abortion (but now more in the pro-life camp), why should a human be allowed to kill another human?

Again, I don't know why this discussion is always decided by men, but get knocked up without consent at 16 by your uncle and ask me the same question!

We murder millions in the name of war, race and creed, including allowing assault rifles in homes, and we decry abortion.  Cheers!

Hey it is your message board but this has to be top 10 for worst comments of the year. 

Seriously.  Let's see. Do women have the right to vote in Alabama?  Do they have the right to vote for men?  What gender is the governor?  Are women more pro-life than men?  If someone is the innocent victim of a horrible crime (rape), why is it an acceptable solution/response to harm (kill) another innocent victim? 

That is not at all to minimize the difficulty of carrying the baby,but your acceptable solution is barbaric.   Do we actually murder millions in the name of war, race and creed?  Do you actually fail to see the difference between killing in war and murder?   Is your logical argument that since we kill in the name of war, race or creed, what is the big deal about killing unborn babies?   Seriously???  Do you know how many are killed each year by assault rifles, race, creed and war in or by the US versus abortion in the US alone?  Do you think the numbers are even remotely close?
   

Only 4 women on the Alabama State Senate...you think that is inclusive in terms of opinion?!  Over half a million people died during the Iraq War...people...living, breathing, working.  And your choice would be to bring in babies that will live in poverty, with parents that aren't prepared to raise them, with little prospect in bettering their lives over time.  The same guys screaming about illegal immigrants and getting them out of here because they are a burden, wants to bring in a million babies a year.  The rights of the living being superceded by the rights of the unborn...and those rights being curtailed mostly by men.  Cheers!

Please think about what you are saying?  The legislative body represents Alabama, male and female.  Does a legislative body have to include those who are impacted?  Are there any unborn children in the Senate?   How can they vote on children's issues?  Are there illegal immigrants?  how can they vote on illegal immigration?  Your argument is horribly weak.   

Half a million died in the Iraq War over a decade.  640,000 unborn people die per year.  That is ten times the Iraq War.  Ten times.  There is a massive wait for newborn adoptions.  It is an ignorant argument to assume they would live in poverty.  It is untrue.   

Science and religion both understand that the unborn child is a person and living.  It is not superceding of rights.  You don't have the moral right to kill an innocent person.  It is quite simple.

Your argument is nonsensical!  If a legislative body decides that only 9-year old boys can perform surgery...you believe that decision is ok and representative of the population’s opinion?  The irrational continuation of your thought would be “this impacts 9-year old boys, their lives and careers.  Should patients actually have any say when the legislators were elected?!”

Of the 640,000 abortions less than 2% occur when the fetus has a chance of survival...24 weeks. 

Science also recognizes patients that are brain dead but have a heart beat.  Are you suggesting any form of palliative care, assisted suicide or mercy killing is completely wrong...including pulling the plug on brain-dead patients?  Cheers!



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Let's start with something easy.

It is illegal to stop life of a premature baby in an incubator or unable to live without the machine. Then why should it be legal to conduct abortion in late pregnancy?

After we have gotten through the logic of this then we may tackle tougher debates.

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That’s not true.  If brain activity ceases they can take the child off of a respirator.

A fetus at 20 weeks cannot survive outside of the womb.  A fetus has a functioning heart after the 12th week of pregnancy...a functioning brain at 16 weeks.  It is not a living, breathing human being until it gets to a viable stage of survival...20 weeks.  Cheers!
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Wonder how many of these anti abortion people agree with capital punishment?

How about shooting immigrants at the border?

How many have assault rifles in their homes to protect themselves from those pesky immigrants?

Wonder how people supporting this bill would feel if their sister, mother, wife was raped and impregnated by an illegal?

Assault rifles have been banned since the 80's.

And for the record the 2nd amendment scales with technology. It's the same reason the first amendment covers more than smoke signals and carrier pigeons.

What a time to be alive!

Assualt rifles are banned?  whut, Whut, WHUT?  I don't think that is the case.  Perhaps in CA perhaps?  They certainly are not banned in TX or MI.

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Your argument is nonsensical!  If a legislative body decides that only 9-year old boys can perform surgery...you believe that decision is ok and representative of the population’s opinion?  The irrational continuation of your thought would be “this impacts 9-year old boys, their lives and careers.  Should patients actually have any say when the legislators were elected?!”

Of the 640,000 abortions less than 2% occur when the fetus has a chance of survival...24 weeks. 

Science also recognizes patients that are brain dead but have a heart beat.  Are you suggesting any form of palliative care, assisted suicide or mercy killing is completely wrong...including pulling the plug on brain-dead patients?  Cheers!

What in the world are you talking about?  I will not waste time trying to have a rational discussion with someone who isn't.  Good day.

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As someone who used to be on the fence with abortion (but now more in the pro-life camp), why should a human be allowed to kill another human?
So many reasons. We have been killing each other since day 1, for reasons both "just" and "unjust", all subjective to the individual. What makes you right?

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Let me change it for you. "You can't stop women from murdering unborn children, but you can stop them from doing it legally."
We can't stop Americans from murdering Arabs legally, either.

You're talking semantics and it's nonsense.

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If someone is the innocent victim of a horrible crime (rape), why is it an acceptable solution/response to harm (kill) another innocent victim? 
Why is it acceptable to force a woman to give birth?
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As someone who used to be on the fence with abortion (but now more in the pro-life camp), why should a human be allowed to kill another human?
So many reasons. We have been killing each other since day 1, for reasons both "just" and "unjust", all subjective to the individual. What makes you right?

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Let me change it for you. "You can't stop women from murdering unborn children, but you can stop them from doing it legally."
We can't stop Americans from murdering Arabs legally, either.

You're talking semantics and it's nonsense.

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If someone is the innocent victim of a horrible crime (rape), why is it an acceptable solution/response to harm (kill) another innocent victim? 
Why is it acceptable to force a woman to give birth?

1. Agreed. The rationale changes but it is what it is.

2. A blanket statement like this is nonsensical. Certain things are in our interest. Letting future citizens live, is. Murdering Arabs, is wrong. But if what you mean is going to Afghanistan and cleaning house, that's a different story. If 93/100 people living in a village were known for a fact to be heinous criminals, but your only way to safeguard your community was to wipe out all 100, do you do it? We live in a society were the left has taught us that if there is 1/100 who is possibly OK, we are hateful monsters for making the logical decisions. Screw them and political correctness.

3. No one forced her to take the d*** either. Choices. Consequences. That's life. Live with it.

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There is also another very simple solution. If you plan to have an abortion, or disagree so strongly with this law... don't reside in Alabama!

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2. A blanket statement like this is nonsensical. Certain things are in our interest. Letting future citizens live, is. Murdering Arabs, is wrong. But if what you mean is going to Afghanistan and cleaning house, that's a different story. If 93/100 people living in a village were known for a fact to be heinous criminals, but your only way to safeguard your community was to wipe out all 100, do you do it? We live in a society were the left has taught us that if there is 1/100 who is possibly OK, we are hateful monsters for making the logical decisions. Screw them and political correctness.
The only blanket statement is Costanza changing my original quip. Try reading the entire context because your response is out of scope.


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3. No one forced her to take the d*** either. Choices. Consequences. That's life. Live with it.
Seriously Greg, I question your intelligence:

If someone is the innocent victim of a horrible crime (rape)

No one forced her to take the d*** either
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2. A blanket statement like this is nonsensical. Certain things are in our interest. Letting future citizens live, is. Murdering Arabs, is wrong. But if what you mean is going to Afghanistan and cleaning house, that's a different story. If 93/100 people living in a village were known for a fact to be heinous criminals, but your only way to safeguard your community was to wipe out all 100, do you do it? We live in a society were the left has taught us that if there is 1/100 who is possibly OK, we are hateful monsters for making the logical decisions. Screw them and political correctness.
The only blanket statement is Costanza changing my original quip. Try reading the entire context because your response is out of scope.


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3. No one forced her to take the d*** either. Choices. Consequences. That's life. Live with it.
Seriously Greg, I question your intelligence:

If someone is the innocent victim of a horrible crime (rape)

No one forced her to take the d*** either

The rape scenario is different but always what the left goes to in order to try and justify killing babies. As in my first example, it is the 1/100 scenario, that the lest uses to justify their position.