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Re: Border patrol detention centers
« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2018, 03:08:35 PM »
Haven't seen this topic come up yet.

https://www.apnews.com/9794de32d39d4c6f89fbefaea3780769

More than 1,100 people were inside the large, dark facility thatís divided into separate wings for unaccompanied children, adults on their own, and mothers and fathers with children. The cages in each wing open out into common areas to use portable restrooms. The overhead lighting in the warehouse stays on around the clock.


Fuck this shallow jingoism. A comment I saw put it well: Not one single other "civilized" country cages up the children of people who are fleeing persecution and forces other children to care for them as their parents or guardians are dragged away screaming.

Sounds like a concentration camp to me.
You might need a refresher on what went on in concentration camps.


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Re: Border patrol detention centers
« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2018, 03:42:20 PM »
No, it is not difficult at all for me to say that there is always room for improvement, in anything.

However, you people (the left or anti-Trump) have lost any sense of critical thinking in whatever is brought to you by the media.

It is 100% about demonizing the man and that is what I am upset about and that includes some of your comments Sanjeev about bigot and racism which I find highly unfair.

What did these people leave? Murder, rape, gang violence, poverty in their respective country. Travelled 100's of miles in terrible conditions. Now they are being fed, can sleep, are protected.

Now, some of the childrens are separated temporarily from their parents for hours, a few days, maybe even weeks because of another government lead system fiasco and that is the biggest trauma ever they have ever faced? Trump is Hitler?

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I agree with you on the Trump is Hitler/concentration camp comments.  But there is no doubt the man is an ass and a bigot...he's the living persona of Archie Bunker.

And there is a blind faith that permeates the landscape...just like it did with Obama...no matter what happens, there is always an excuse for his actions.  It's never about doing better or unity, but always them versus us whether domestically or internationally...and Trump has taken that to a level that none of his predecessors ever did!  Cheers!
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Re: Border patrol detention centers
« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2018, 04:37:13 PM »
"And there is a blind faith that permeates the landscape...just like it did with Obama...no matter what happens, there is always an excuse for his actions."

No there is not. This thread is a prime example. Every negative element is scrutinized, next day into the media globally. Nothing gets missed. He is always blamed for everything negative and if we are to believe polls around President approval, then the negative drumbeat is winning.

"It's never about doing better or unity, but always them versus us whether domestically or internationally...and Trump has taken that to a level that none of his predecessors ever did!  Cheers!"

Obama was the worst divider I have ever seen. You can't recall 2011 when U.S. debt was downgraded? And a myriad of examples after? He did all he could to stick it to the Republicans in any way possible. He blamed Bush for what 6 or 7 years? Way worst than Trump. Maybe that you did not pay attention because he did fit your political views but, that is the truth.

However, he was pretty good for reading speaches and at apologizing on the world scene like our own Trudeau while he supported uprisings in Libya, Ukraine, Syria which lead to 100's of thousands of deaths.

You talked about race relations going back 40 some years. Well, the previous guy did all he could to worsen the situation by supporting Black Lives matter and not denouncing all kinds of groups that I would consider black superiority movements. Maybe that Obama was an anti-white racist after all.

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Re: Border patrol detention centers
« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2018, 04:39:26 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoncXfYBAVI

Audio footage of these "temporary separations"

A border agent jokes remarks through the screams: "Well, we have an orchestra here, right? ... What we're missing is a conductor."


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Re: Border patrol detention centers
« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2018, 04:44:09 PM »
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Ok. History did not look too bad on Roosevelt for caging Japanese Americans for years because they were simply from Japanese origin. Why?
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I wonder how that facility or similar facilities were run during Obama? Never mind. We will never find out. Everything was rosy!

And none of that make the current Border Patrol policy right!!! Sounds to me like you are deflecting attention here.

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   I am sure that all the people having spoken on this thread so far would prefer for these people to be left homeless, food less and with no running water sitting and sleeping in the streets of San Diego or in some border town in Texas?

Or perhaps with their parents and not in a cage, as their parents go to immigration courts, as previous administrations did.


The worst part is as Sanjeev mentioned - Trump is literally ripping kids away from their parents as a political move to force Democrat concessions.


A Trump administration policy now charges every adult caught crossing the border illegally with federal crimes, as opposed to referring those with children mainly to immigration courts, as previous administrations did.

President Donald Trump has repeatedly blamed the Democrats for the situation despite his administration instituting the policy change.

"Democrats can fix their forced family breakup at the Border by working with Republicans on new legislation, for a change!" he tweeted on Saturday.


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Re: Border patrol detention centers
« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2018, 05:09:13 PM »
I can't imagine doing something that I know is illegal and risking separation from my family in the process. Especially when there is a legal route to accomplishing this exact same thing...

I think the bigger issue is Mexico/Central/South America getting their shit together. Especially in Mexico, the degree to which government has failed is astonishing. People like to bitch about our politicians but holy heck, you've got murders in the tens of thousands, missing people all over, entire school buses of kids disappearing, bodies hanging from bridges and washing up at tourists beaches, etc. It's like the Mafia in the mid 1900's in NYC. It gets to these points because people let it get there, and then at a certain point it becomes out of anyone's control. To which they need outside help, particularly from the US. But what are they willing to give us in return? Nothing, of course.

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Re: Border patrol detention centers
« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2018, 05:13:32 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoncXfYBAVI

Audio footage of these "temporary separations"

A border agent jokes remarks through the screams: "Well, we have an orchestra here, right? ... What we're missing is a conductor."


The Trump Mural in the center. Incredible. Obama was never this disaster.


source: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/6/18/17474986/family-separation-border-video
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Re: Border patrol detention centers
« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2018, 06:01:24 PM »
I can't imagine doing something that I know is illegal and risking separation from my family in the process. Especially when there is a legal route to accomplishing this exact same thing...

In theory, yes, there is a legal route. They are supposed to claim asylum at a port of entry.

In practice, current administration is deliberately trying to block them, making it very hard or impossible to enter legally.

https://theintercept.com/2018/06/16/immigration-border-asylum-central-america/

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"U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents are systematically violating U.S. and international law by blocking immigrants at international ports of entry on the southern border from entering the country so they can claim asylum. Immigration civil rights advocates have been documenting this illegal behavior since late 2016, from Texas to California. It was sporadic then, and appears to have been based at least in part on CBPís difficulties with handling large numbers of people.

Even so, the practice of turning immigrants away has suddenly become routine, creating chilling scenes of immigrants and children camped out near the bridges, exposed to sun, wind, and rain, amid make-do bedding, scattered clothing, and trash. A few times a day, the immigrants walk to the middle of the bridges and ask to be admitted to the port of entry building on the U.S. side so that they can request asylum. They are almost always turned back."

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Re: Border patrol detention centers
« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2018, 06:10:04 PM »
"And there is a blind faith that permeates the landscape...just like it did with Obama...no matter what happens, there is always an excuse for his actions."

No there is not. This thread is a prime example. Every negative element is scrutinized, next day into the media globally. Nothing gets missed. He is always blamed for everything negative and if we are to believe polls around President approval, then the negative drumbeat is winning.

"It's never about doing better or unity, but always them versus us whether domestically or internationally...and Trump has taken that to a level that none of his predecessors ever did!  Cheers!"

Obama was the worst divider I have ever seen. You can't recall 2011 when U.S. debt was downgraded? And a myriad of examples after? He did all he could to stick it to the Republicans in any way possible. He blamed Bush for what 6 or 7 years? Way worst than Trump. Maybe that you did not pay attention because he did fit your political views but, that is the truth.

However, he was pretty good for reading speaches and at apologizing on the world scene like our own Trudeau while he supported uprisings in Libya, Ukraine, Syria which lead to 100's of thousands of deaths.

You talked about race relations going back 40 some years. Well, the previous guy did all he could to worsen the situation by supporting Black Lives matter and not denouncing all kinds of groups that I would consider black superiority movements. Maybe that Obama was an anti-white racist after all.

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Again, you are defending his actions by the behavior of others...not Trump be a better leader and better person...but Trump is the way he is because the left-wing has made him so.  That's not a lesson you would teach children, so why is it ok when it comes to the President?  Cheers!
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Re: Border patrol detention centers
« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2018, 08:37:30 PM »
I can't imagine doing something that I know is illegal and risking separation from my family in the process. Especially when there is a legal route to accomplishing this exact same thing...
My guess is that you have lived a fairly comfortable life, were never in life or death danger, or threatened with starvation, etc. So you've never even had to think about having to make these kind of choices, much less make one and carry it out. So don't pretend to understand.

Also please explain to use the exact existing legal process that accomplishes the exact same thing. Please provide backup.

I think the bigger issue is Mexico/Central/South America getting their shit together. Especially in Mexico, the degree to which government has failed is astonishing. People like to bitch about our politicians but holy heck, you've got murders in the tens of thousands, missing people all over, entire school buses of kids disappearing, bodies hanging from bridges and washing up at tourists beaches, etc. It's like the Mafia in the mid 1900's in NYC. It gets to these points because people let it get there, and then at a certain point it becomes out of anyone's control. To which they need outside help, particularly from the US. But what are they willing to give us in return? Nothing, of course.
You are correct in your assessment here. But seriously, why do you need something in return (payment?) from poor countries to help? Wouldn't the US benefit massively from peace, stability, and prosperity on its southern flank? If you're refusing assistance that could make that happen because you're not getting something in return (from countries that don't really have anything to give) isn't that bit like cutting your nose to spite your face?