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RuleNumberOne

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Hunter Biden must be extremely wealthy
« on: September 27, 2019, 08:16:46 PM »
Burisma Biden taking down the only real chance Dems had in 2020:

Left-wing Washington Post says:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-says-hunter-biden-walks-out-of-china-with-15-billion-a-lawyer-says-thats-not-true/2019/09/25/26b89e7e-dfcf-11e9-8dc8-498eabc129a0_story.html

"Hunter Biden did travel with his father on Air Force Two to China on Dec. 4, 2013.

Twelve days later, Hunter Biden joined the board of a just-formed investment advisory firm, known as BHR, whose partners included Chinese entities.
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RuleNumberOne

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Re: Hunter Biden must be extremely wealthy
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2019, 08:44:52 PM »
I want to see Hunter Biden's tax returns. Must be a very rich guy by now. BHR is a multi-billion dollar firm. Media is batshit crazy for NOT covering this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BHR_Partners

"In November, 2016, BHR agreed to purchase Lundin Mining Corp's minority stake in African copper mine Tenke Fungurume Mining S.A. for $1.14 billion in cash. The Democratic Republic of the Congo, where the Tenke mine is located, owns the remaining 20% of the mine."

Rosemont Seneca is a Washington, D.C.-based investment and advisory firm run by Hunter Biden, the son of U.S. Vice President Joe Biden. Thornton Group is a Boston-based cross-border investment advisory firm. The U.S. partners as a pair and the two Chinese partners each own a 30% stake in the joint management firm.[3]

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Re: Hunter Biden must be extremely wealthy
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2019, 08:46:54 PM »
Looks like the "R" in the multi-billion BHR stands for Rosemont Seneca - the lobbying firm run by Biden.

Any of the posters on CoBF own a stake in a multi-billion dollar investment firm?
« Last Edit: September 27, 2019, 08:51:36 PM by RuleNumberOne »

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Re: Hunter Biden must be extremely wealthy
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2019, 10:27:40 PM »
Looks like the "R" in the multi-billion BHR stands for Rosemont Seneca - the lobbying firm run by Biden.

Any of the posters on CoBF own a stake in a multi-billion dollar investment firm?

Hey, I don't like Trump, but I'm all for investigating Biden and his son to ensure nothing improper happened.  If they committed a crime, they should serve the time!  Cheers!
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Re: Hunter Biden must be extremely wealthy
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2019, 10:31:50 AM »
"Hey, I don't like Trump, but I'm all for investigating Biden and his son to ensure nothing improper happened."

Come on! They never get investigated fully. We have some inquiry then it dies off.

Giustra lives in your city and how do you think that the deal with Uranium One happened? The guy even said that he went all-in on Bill Clinton.

How is it possible that Bill Clinton gets out of the White House broke (per his wife), then ends up worth $100 million a decade or so after? He is not running a hedge fund, didn't start any business. All he did was selling books and being paid for giving conferences. Who in the world would pay $5,000+ to simply listen to his speeches? Then he started a shady charitable fund but, you don't own the money in a charitable fund so it is not part of the $100 million. All the while had an expensive lifestyle.

If anyone can seriously think that these people did not use their influence to make some deals happen and get richly paid in the process then they ought to be examined or they have no idea how one can save/make such sum of money.

It is the same with this Biden guy. He will never get indicted. Best lawyers will be hired and it will die off.

It is also the same with Gerald Butts in Canada. The guy never started a business, was managing wildlife organization and always had jobs paying sub $300,000. Then in his forties he is worth over $25 million. Must be an incredible saver and investor!

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Re: Hunter Biden must be extremely wealthy
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2019, 11:19:49 AM »
It's hard to improperly use influence when you are out of office. Should former government official be a career? No one likes it (what do you think all the complaints about 'revolving door' are about?) but what can we do? It's obviously legal. I guarantee Trump and his family will do it after office. The point is not that it's bad for Trump to do it, but that we should judge people consistently.

The message from Uranium One and the like is not that it was on the up-and-up. It's that there was no provable improper influence in office, or quid pro quo. There were formal, informal, and amateur investigations in to all sorts of Democrat scandals. Plenty of Democrats have been indicted or have pled guilty over the years, including during Obama's terms. The issue with Clinton's emails was the precedents set during Gen. Petraeus's case (which has been mentioned ad nauseum on this board). No one was happy with the result, but we are a nation that uses common law. We could pass stricter laws on the topic, but it's going to result in a lot of indictments for behavior we aren't trying to correct as a society.


Some federal office-holding D's indicted/convicted recently:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrine_Brown
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaka_Fattah
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Jackson_Jr.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Richardson
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_J._Jefferson
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Traficant
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Ballance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wade_Sanders

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_federal_politicians_convicted_of_crimes


No one thinks what Biden's son did is good. Try to come up with a constitutional and fair law to prevent it and you'll find out it's a trickier subject than your surface reading suggests. With most topics that bother you that seem bafflingly unaddressed, try to write a law or laws to prevent it. You'll see why there isn't a law already. Writing rules for very large systems is exceedingly difficult.

I don't understand why there often seems to be a disconnect between narrative behind complaints and actual facts.

"Democrats are never held accountable!" -> Democrats and Republican Congressmen are generally indicted at the same frequency and proportion. It's also generally uncorrelated to which party is in power.
"How did [X] earn this money!" - Same as anyone, assuming there isn't financial theft/fraud involved. Someone paid them. It's crazy Rush Limbaugh makes $80m+/yr. A former President's speaking or media deals seem less crazy from that POV.


This is similar to Trump delisting Chinese companies/restricting flows. Everyone here was quick to freak out but then the conversation was over once the situation was realized. No one actually wants to debate merits of topics, they want to complain. That's why the non-investigation threads are pointless in my view. 10 mins of research would often alleviate a lot of rants.

I miss when the political debates on this forum were about the level of taxes or type of tax system. I learned more from Tim Erickson and some others in some post 4 years ago or so about taxes than all of the political posts since. I think we disagreed then, but it was really interesting hearing nuanced opinions on the best way to tax corporations. I bet if I found the post, I've adopted a lot of their ideas since. That type of discussion is valuable.

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Re: Hunter Biden must be extremely wealthy
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2019, 11:24:11 AM »
See this is the main difference between the Trump family and the rest. Theres been points raised about "oh you think Ivanka gets deals in Chinese for reasons other than her dad?". Yes, its different. Perhaps today and going forward it will be the same, but for the past however long, the Trump family has gotten rich because of their own assets and businesses and hustling them(to whatever degree and whether legal or not is another debate). But the Bidens, Clintons, Obamas, etc, ALL got rich exploiting, milking, and because of their jobs as "public servants" and engaging in quasi if not outright pay for play and quid pro quo bullshit. They've basically enriched themselves from politics. Which is why its rich when these very people make these accusations about Trump. Where is everyone who's cried about Trump/Russia and why arent they outraged and obsessing over how China has Biden in their backpocket. How Joe is China's puppet? Its basically ignored minus a few non promoted pieces here or there and even then, still only by Fox News or a couple really radical left wing pulpits trying to push for a more extreme socialist candidate?

Or how people(cough Sanjeev) say, I'd have a problem too if it were Obama but we're not talking about him right now, he's not president at the moment. Which is bullshit because guess what? The treatment is TOTALLY different. No one has ever been treated as poorly as Trump. There was never, ever, this level of ridiculousness around Obama, Bush, Clinton, etc. Fuck, Hillary Clinton, despite being a total pariah, is STILL currently quoted as if she's someone important and pure! They said they'd have the same issues if it was someone else other than Trump, but their actions HAVE NEVER been consistent with that and I'm sure if a Democrat gets elected in 2020 there no where near the same rhetoric and constant harping on every little thing that person does. Sometimes its just time to call BULLSHIT...

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Re: Hunter Biden must be extremely wealthy
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2019, 11:28:37 AM »
Hunter Biden is on a whole different level. The left-wing New York Times has been publishing articles about his activities (excerpts from the New York Times articles linked below):

May 20, 2019 article
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/20/us/politics/trump-hunter-biden-china.html
"Hunter Biden advised a Romanian businessman with ties to the United States, Gabriel Popoviciu, whose real estate dealings had come under investigation,...which has not been previously reported. The investigation, which came as the United States and its allies were pushing Romania to clamp down on corruption, led to Mr. Popoviciu's conviction and a prison sentence."




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Re: Hunter Biden must be extremely wealthy
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2019, 11:42:32 AM »
It was very convenient for President Obama to look the other way while Biden and Hillary ate from the pork barrel that is DC.

Of course, Obama, knew there would never be a problem as Hillary was a slam dunk 2016 President-elect and the feast could continue.

Trump rained on a lot of parades. Now everyone is scrambling to avoid being exposed as corrupt.

Better impeach Trump quick so they can call off the dogs before the voters figure it out.

I can't wait to see the Horowitz and Durham reports.  William Barr will be a busy guy.

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Re: Hunter Biden must be extremely wealthy
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2019, 11:45:29 AM »
Another Hunter Biden story from the left-wing New York Times. Criminal tycoon, bribery of African officials, evading sanctions, $2 million cash boxes, etc.

December 2018 NYT article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/12/business/cefc-biden-china-washington-ye-jianming.html

"Last year, as American authorities closed in on Mr. Ye's company, the first call made by one of his emissaries in custody was to Mr. Biden's brother.

Mr. Ye told Fortune magazine that he got his break in 2006, when he acquired assets the government had confiscated from a smuggling kingpin. He rebranded the business as CEFC China Energy. ... operated on the fringes of the oil world... securing the rights to oil fields in strife-torn places like Chad, South Sudan and Iraq.

By 2015, Mr. Ye had begin working on .... quarry yet: the family of Mr. Biden, the vice president.

..Mr. Ye then met privately with Hunter Biden at a hotel in Miami in May 2017...Mr. Ye propposed a partnership to invest in American infrastructure and energy deals, the people said. It is unclear whether Hunter Biden struck and business deals with CEFC or Mr. Ye. Through his attorney, Hunter Biden declined to comment.

James Biden, a financier and brother of the former vice president, was in a hotel lobby in November 2017 when he got a surprise call on his cellphone. The call was from Patrick Ho, Mr. Ye's lieutenant. Mr. Ho, 69, was in trouble.

Federal agents who had monitored CEFC's rise...arresting Mr. Ho on allegations that he had bribed African officials in Chad and Uganda.

federal prosecutors said that he bribed... tried to make CEFC a middleman with Iran to avoid oil sanctions.... attempting to deal arms in conflict zones.

In Chad in 2014, the bribery took the form of gift boxes containing $2million in cash...

Mr. Ye meanwhile has disappeared into the custody of the Chinese authorities... accused Mr. Ye of bribing a provincial party boss...

In a brief interview, James Biden said he had been surprised by Mr. Ho's call. He said he believed it had been meant for Hunter Biden... James Biden said he had passed on his nephew's contact information."