Author Topic: Hunter Biden must be extremely wealthy  (Read 4309 times)

Schwab711

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Re: Hunter Biden must be extremely wealthy
« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2019, 11:46:34 AM »
Again, what specific crime is Hunter alleged to have committed? I have not done any type of research in to Hunter, but I have yet to see what crime he would be investigated for. What did Hunter actually do, other than working for sketchy people? If hanging out with sketchy people is the basis for investigation then that behavior is so common that you can see what our government has to pick and choose who to actually investigate. We generally prioritize it by importance of the person.

I feel like you aren't reading what others are writing when you don't like what it says, that you've only done surface-level research, and you just want to argue. Until you are willing to have two-way communication, this discussion is pointless. Continue your yelling in to the abyss.


I'd also like to point out that you are quoting NYT's extension investigation in to a Democrat candidate, during the Trump term. I hope the vitriol hate of media dies down when all of this is done.
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Re: Hunter Biden must be extremely wealthy
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2019, 11:50:48 AM »
Can't blame Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate.

The US kept giving a free pass to the numerous associations of Hunter Biden with corrupt foreign businessmen.

The left-wing New York Times kept publishing articles but the US kept giving Hunter Biden a free pass for his business dealings with criminal tycoons.

What else could Trump do? If Obama had died, Biden would have been the president!

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Re: Hunter Biden must be extremely wealthy
« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2019, 11:56:48 AM »
See this is the main difference between the Trump family and the rest. Theres been points raised about "oh you think Ivanka gets deals in Chinese for reasons other than her dad?". Yes, its different. Perhaps today and going forward it will be the same, but for the past however long, the Trump family has gotten rich because of their own assets and businesses and hustling them(to whatever degree and whether legal or not is another debate). But the Bidens, Clintons, Obamas, etc, ALL got rich exploiting, milking, and because of their jobs as "public servants" and engaging in quasi if not outright pay for play and quid pro quo bullshit. They've basically enriched themselves from politics. Which is why its rich when these very people make these accusations about Trump. Where is everyone who's cried about Trump/Russia and why arent they outraged and obsessing over how China has Biden in their backpocket. How Joe is China's puppet? Its basically ignored minus a few non promoted pieces here or there and even then, still only by Fox News or a couple really radical left wing pulpits trying to push for a more extreme socialist candidate?


It sucks that it's hard to write laws to avoid this shit, which is how it happens. The ones indicted are the ones engaging in it personally. It's hard to connect the hiring of a family member with corruption, legally. We all know it when we see it, but what is the remedy? Corruption sucks and hopefully there is a resurgence of anti-corruption voting again.

The reason no one is obsessing over Biden/China is because most of Congress is engaging in some form of pseudo-lobbying. His story is being told now because he's running for President. Hopefully a focus on anti-corruption can change the trend. Your take is the only reasonable contra take on the topic I've seen so far.

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Re: Hunter Biden must be extremely wealthy
« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2019, 12:01:51 PM »
Can't blame Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate.

What else could Trump do? If Obama had died, Biden would have been the president!

You can't use political power or tax payer money to bribe officials for personal gain. Full stop. If it was not for personal gain, it would not be bribery and you would be right. The fact that Trump and his personal lawyer said while committing the act that it was for personal gain really makes it difficult to argue otherwise. We should be happy that Trump was so brazenly corrupt that it may actually convince the broader public there is a major corruption problem (a la Greg's post).

Your last statement makes no sense. Trump cannot feign concern as the reason his crime was not criminal when the security risk is already alleviated. Corruption is bad, always.

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Re: Hunter Biden must be extremely wealthy
« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2019, 12:14:40 PM »
The biggest bribery is done by Evasive Elizabeth. She throws more bribes at more people to "surge" in the polls.

Bribe retirees who spend all day sitting in restaurants...

Bribe college students who wasted other-people's-money (partying) acquiring useless majors that have no commercial value.

If you are working, snatch another 15% from $250k incomes in high-cost states where the marginal rate is already 54%.


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Re: Hunter Biden must be extremely wealthy
« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2019, 12:30:32 PM »
See this is the main difference between the Trump family and the rest. Theres been points raised about "oh you think Ivanka gets deals in Chinese for reasons other than her dad?". Yes, its different. Perhaps today and going forward it will be the same, but for the past however long, the Trump family has gotten rich because of their own assets and businesses and hustling them(to whatever degree and whether legal or not is another debate). But the Bidens, Clintons, Obamas, etc, ALL got rich exploiting, milking, and because of their jobs as "public servants" and engaging in quasi if not outright pay for play and quid pro quo bullshit. They've basically enriched themselves from politics. Which is why its rich when these very people make these accusations about Trump. Where is everyone who's cried about Trump/Russia and why arent they outraged and obsessing over how China has Biden in their backpocket. How Joe is China's puppet? Its basically ignored minus a few non promoted pieces here or there and even then, still only by Fox News or a couple really radical left wing pulpits trying to push for a more extreme socialist candidate?

 

It sucks that it's hard to write laws to avoid this shit, which is how it happens. The ones indicted are the ones engaging in it personally. It's hard to connect the hiring of a family member with corruption, legally. We all know it when we see it, but what is the remedy? Corruption sucks and hopefully there is a resurgence of anti-corruption voting again.

The reason no one is obsessing over Biden/China is because most of Congress is engaging in some form of pseudo-lobbying. His story is being told now because he's running for President. Hopefully a focus on anti-corruption can change the trend. Your take is the only reasonable contra take on the topic I've seen so far.

I mean there's solutions, but nothing that these people would ever adopt because they are the only ones who lose a benefit/suffer. But in theory... here's a few ideas.

Establish guidelines for service. Anyone assuming office must declare a personal statement of assets. This is your "threshold". From that point forward a person is entitled to "earn" up to "$x". Say $5M. If you go into politics with a $5K net worth, ala AOC, upon leaving politics, you agree to give away any money you earn after accumulating a $5M net worth. Or hey, paying a 75% "wealth tax" after a certain point. The counter would be that this discourages people from entering, but 1, that's good, and two, please lets not pretend that the benefits for life that many of these clowns get don't prohibit them from living lavishly on their own. But this would keep people form entering politics just to get rich, it would limit the benefits of those from selling their "connections" after; ie your only benefit is lying about your net worth and committing fraud which greatly diminishes the benefits and likely sways a lot of folks to just stick with their already pretty damn good life.

Of course you would still have work arounds, but this could be handled by signing the same disclosures signed by many professional industries regarding ones disclosure of "affiliates". The stuff that prevents the wife of a public company CEO from buying stock without disclosing ownership...

But again, this shit isn't happening because these people will do utterly despicable things, as we are seeing with the constant Trump coups, to preserve their "niche"...
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Re: Hunter Biden must be extremely wealthy
« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2019, 04:38:07 PM »
"Hey, I don't like Trump, but I'm all for investigating Biden and his son to ensure nothing improper happened."

Come on! They never get investigated fully. We have some inquiry then it dies off.

Giustra lives in your city and how do you think that the deal with Uranium One happened? The guy even said that he went all-in on Bill Clinton.

How is it possible that Bill Clinton gets out of the White House broke (per his wife), then ends up worth $100 million a decade or so after? He is not running a hedge fund, didn't start any business. All he did was selling books and being paid for giving conferences. Who in the world would pay $5,000+ to simply listen to his speeches? Then he started a shady charitable fund but, you don't own the money in a charitable fund so it is not part of the $100 million. All the while had an expensive lifestyle.

If anyone can seriously think that these people did not use their influence to make some deals happen and get richly paid in the process then they ought to be examined or they have no idea how one can save/make such sum of money.

It is the same with this Biden guy. He will never get indicted. Best lawyers will be hired and it will die off.

It is also the same with Gerald Butts in Canada. The guy never started a business, was managing wildlife organization and always had jobs paying sub $300,000. Then in his forties he is worth over $25 million. Must be an incredible saver and investor!

How is it that Trump gets away with stuff far worse...like the women he's molested over the years?  Deustche Bank dealings to save his son-in-law's skin?  Collusion...evidence was there, but Mueller just didn't want to make the call?  Running of the Trump empire from office?  All of the self-dealing with Trump enterprises while in office?  And now, we've got Trump colluding to take down his competition and his son, because he knows that is the guy with the best chance to beat him? 

So you talk about how Guistra and Clinton got away...Trump gets away with it while sitting in the President's seat!  Cheers!
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Re: Hunter Biden must be extremely wealthy
« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2019, 04:42:19 PM »
Can't blame Trump for asking Ukraine to investigate.

The US kept giving a free pass to the numerous associations of Hunter Biden with corrupt foreign businessmen.

The left-wing New York Times kept publishing articles but the US kept giving Hunter Biden a free pass for his business dealings with criminal tycoons.

What else could Trump do? If Obama had died, Biden would have been the president!

Trump could have asked Barr to investigate...which is legal and is his own guy.  Instead he chose to leverage the pressure and relationship with Ukraine...which is illegal!  The Biden's should be investigated, but not the way Trump did it.  Any other President would get the same treatment in the same circumstance.  Trump's team then moved to cover up the whole thing...how can anyone in their right mind defend that?  Or sorry, Cubsfan...Cardboard...my bad!  Cheers!
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Re: Hunter Biden must be extremely wealthy
« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2019, 06:06:11 AM »
"How is it that Trump gets away with stuff far worse...like the women he's molested over the years?  Deustche Bank dealings to save his son-in-law's skin?  Collusion...evidence was there, but Mueller just didn't want to make the call?  Running of the Trump empire from office?  All of the self-dealing with Trump enterprises while in office?  And now, we've got Trump colluding to take down his competition and his son, because he knows that is the guy with the best chance to beat him?

So you talk about how Guistra and Clinton got away...Trump gets away with it while sitting in the President's seat!  Cheers!"

Clinton got away with rape (while in office in Arkansas). This is a whole lot worst than someone who brag about grabbing woman by the p.. while joking with a reporter. Is this true?

He also played sex games with an employee/intern in the Oval office.

Please explain to me how is that not worst than whatever Trump has done on the sexual front?

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Re: Hunter Biden must be extremely wealthy
« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2019, 06:33:20 AM »
The guy that Hunter Biden worked for gave a $150,000 donation to the Trump Foundation during the 2016 campaign that's under active investigation (as a spin-off from Mueller).

Trump provided Ukraine with last minute weapons just prior to Ukraine no long cooperating with the Mueller investigation.

Trump Jr and the Trump Org have completed nearly a dozen deals with foreign countries, including some while running for President.

Trump and his kids have all actually done the things, without protest, that Biden's son is inferred to have done. Everyone in this thread defended Trump and his kids (or ignored it) at the time.

When all of these incidents occurred, members in this thread defended Trump and said folks that said it was wrong had "TDS" or the like. Now, Biden is losing support of his own party for those allegations while Trump is stating that a Congressmen is committing treason for investigating, he is threatening his whistleblower, and alluding to civil war if he is removed. We haven't even gotten to Trump's tax fraud and engaging in, or at least facilitating, money laundering.

This isn't about Biden, or the Democrats, or policy, or "a fight for America's culture", or anything else. You were lied to and accepting you were fooled is difficult. I'm sorry folks were misled by Trump and others, but what Trump is doing is wrong. It's plain as day. As Footnotes said, I hope the R party moves on quickly so we can have a decent election.