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Re: Clowns Playing Race Cards...Again
« Reply #20 on: August 01, 2019, 04:21:18 PM »
You aren't wrong. I just think we've radically redefined the term racist as the pendulum has swung. So, a couple points.

All in all, I dont disagree that there is a constant thread in much of the political banter. That Trump purposely phrases things in a way that are intended to bring out the people who scream racism; because he knows it also has benefits in making these people look crazy, baits them into games, and riles up his base. But I just chalk it up as a more clever version of the political theatre we've grown accustomed to.

I believe the above to be true. It only works because it elicits an reaction. What he says is totally non statesman like, but I think he likes how the opponents react to it. A more measured and factual response might  have more effect and would probably end this game of chicken rather quickly. The race card is overplayed and people get tired of it.
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Re: Clowns Playing Race Cards...Again
« Reply #21 on: August 02, 2019, 01:35:48 AM »
You aren't wrong. I just think we've radically redefined the term racist as the pendulum has swung. So, a couple points.

All in all, I dont disagree that there is a constant thread in much of the political banter. That Trump purposely phrases things in a way that are intended to bring out the people who scream racism; because he knows it also has benefits in making these people look crazy, baits them into games, and riles up his base. But I just chalk it up as a more clever version of the political theatre we've grown accustomed to.

I believe the above to be true. It only works because it elicits an reaction. What he says is totally non statesman like, but I think he likes how the opponents react to it. A more measured and factual response might  have more effect and would probably end this game of chicken rather quickly. The race card is overplayed and people get tired of it.

So what are you saying, that Trump and some of his enablers are not racist? That it's just some 3D chess playing by this genius?

And who gets tired of this "race card" exactly? The people this is aimed against? Seriously.

One of the main reasons Trump uses racist comments because some of his voters ARE racist. He plays to his home base.

Trump IS racist.  Plenty of his enablers and voters ARE racist.  This is so obvious.  Now, is there also some political game using this? Of course, but it does not change the facts.

Go look up the composition of the GOP and DEM.  What is the percentage of women in the GOP? The percentage of white men in the GOP? Now, compare this to the DEM.  This cannot be a coincidence. It's not about economic "values".








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Re: Clowns Playing Race Cards...Again
« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2019, 03:08:52 AM »
You aren't wrong. I just think we've radically redefined the term racist as the pendulum has swung. So, a couple points.

All in all, I dont disagree that there is a constant thread in much of the political banter. That Trump purposely phrases things in a way that are intended to bring out the people who scream racism; because he knows it also has benefits in making these people look crazy, baits them into games, and riles up his base. But I just chalk it up as a more clever version of the political theatre we've grown accustomed to.

I believe the above to be true. It only works because it elicits an reaction. What he says is totally non statesman like, but I think he likes how the opponents react to it. A more measured and factual response might  have more effect and would probably end this game of chicken rather quickly. The race card is overplayed and people get tired of it.

So what are you saying, that Trump and some of his enablers are not racist? That it's just some 3D chess playing by this genius?

And who gets tired of this "race card" exactly? The people this is aimed against? Seriously.

One of the main reasons Trump uses racist comments because some of his voters ARE racist. He plays to his home base.

Trump IS racist. Plenty of his enablers and voters ARE racist.  This is so obvious.  Now, is there also some political game using this? Of course, but it does not change the facts.

Go look up the composition of the GOP and DEM.  What is the percentage of women in the GOP? The percentage of white men in the GOP? Now, compare this to the DEM.  This cannot be a coincidence. It's not about economic "values".
Meiroy, just out of interest. Why do you say it so matter of factly? Give me the best example of Trump being a racist, please. I follow the topic with casual interest, so I'm not an expert, but although I've seen Trump make endless unpopular comments and have done numerous unpopular things, I've not seen anything that would make him a racist in fact. I'm genuinely interested in the facts you base your statement on, please.

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Re: Clowns Playing Race Cards...Again
« Reply #23 on: August 02, 2019, 03:10:11 AM »
The real question is not whether Trump is racist. Its the extent to which his rhetoric supports white identitarians and the extent to which his policies are racist. He has one policy that is somewhat racist which is his immigration policy. I say somewhat because its definitely the case that a large element of the reason people don't support immigration is because they don't like brown people and it definitely has a huge negative impact on brown people but there are other reasons beyond race for people to be against immigration e.g. British hate white immigrants.

OTOH, I am more afraid of the racism in the democratic party. Democrats have been using race explicitly to win elections for decades. They don't have dog whisles..their whistles are loud, clear and direct. They explicitly view things through a racial lens on a wide variety of issues. During the current era almost all the racism in society is being driven by the Left. Even right wing racism is purely a reaction to Left-wing rhetoric.

I regard white identitarians as a reaction to identity politics on the Left. Their arguments are literally mirror images of Left wing arguments. Black pride...ok how about white pride. Black identity...ok how about white identity. Black power...ok how about white power. Black consciousness....they have renamed that being racially aware. The rise in white supremacy is mostly a reaction to BLM and to the Zimmerman case both of which demonstrated the racism of American media and the racism of the Left. If you listen to newly converted white identitarians...the driving force is never Trump. Its always a reaction to BLM, Zimmerman case, or political correctness.

Most Democrats and almost all the Democratic candidates are vastly more racist that Trump. White privilege is a racist concept. White supremacy is a racist idea. Black lives matter is a racist movement. Reparations is a racist policy. Observe the democratic debate and how much race came up. Observe how much democrats talk about race and how they attempt to appeal to racial groups. Democrats have and have always been a party of racists since the Civil War.

This is not to mention the racism we see from the Left on a daily basis in media and on television. For instance, Blackish, though very funny, is the most explicitly racist show on television, to a level that is really disgusting. The truly scary thing is that no one realizes how disgusting the ideas of that show are because we are so inundated with Left wing racism.

Trump is a very pale and shallow reflection of the deep, extremely dangerous and enduring racism that animates the Left.
Why do you say British hate white immigrants?

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Re: Clowns Playing Race Cards...Again
« Reply #24 on: August 02, 2019, 06:04:14 AM »
"Go look up the composition of the GOP and DEM.  What is the percentage of women in the GOP? The percentage of white men in the GOP? Now, compare this to the DEM.  This cannot be a coincidence. It's not about economic "values"."

So Meiroy, Trump cannot be a racist using your logic. He has both woman and visible minorities in his cabinet.

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Re: Clowns Playing Race Cards...Again
« Reply #25 on: August 04, 2019, 04:35:16 AM »
Why do you say British hate white immigrants?

Perhaps hate is a strong term. I meant that one of the major reasons for Brexit was to stop the flow of immigrants from Eastern European countries. And all those people are white.

https://medium.com/s/story/https-medium-com-tswriting-the-truth-about-brexit-e3e5bcdadfbe

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Re: Clowns Playing Race Cards...Again
« Reply #26 on: August 04, 2019, 05:12:42 AM »
The left / progressive element of the political spectrum is the element which voices the concerns of the minority and the under-represented. This is their role in culture and society. So naturally they will be the ones talking about brown and black races and issues relevant to those groups because that is their role.

Now it's a fair criticism to say the Democrat party uses their role as the progressive element to ulterior motives, and I think in some cases you probably have a fair point. But to criticize them simply for proverbially "playing the race card" is to not understand the role of the left in society.

Its much more than playing the race card. The Left criticize people purely based on the color of their skin. They are not saying: these policies will hurt this group. They are saying: you are white and you represent white supremacy blah. There are multiple times where white democratic presidential candidates apologized for being white. I FIND THIS DISGUSTING AND OUTRAGEOUS. For example:
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/07/21/marianne-williamson-white-people-prayer-of-apology-nr-vpx.cnn
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/03/why-michael-bloomberg-decided-not-to-run-for-president
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/03/biden-condemns-white-mans-culture-anita-hill-as-he-creeps-toward-2020

The essential belief of the left right now is that RACISM IS PERFECTLY OK. As long as its done to benefit the "right" races. Actually scratch that...the Left has exactly gone even further and redefined racism so that its impossible for a underprivileged group to be racist and its impossible for their to be racism against a privileged group. So since white people are privileged...racism against white people is according to the Left is impossible. I don't think you realize how dangerous this thinking is.

The Nazi's thought "capitalist jews" were the privileged people extracting wealth from honest German labour. They viewed themselves as victims. The Hutus believed the Tutsi's were privileged and parasites. In Zimbabwe it is the whites. In Uganda the Indians. In Thailand, Malaysia, Philippines and Indonesia its the Chinese. In Sri Lanka it was the Tamils. Looking around the world I can't see any good that has come from this way of thinking. Its led to genocide, mass death, civil war and horrors. In the best case it leads to something like India which honestly is a complete mess of competing groups.

The Left is and has always been extremely racist. What is shocking to me is how thoroughly they have brainwashed people into believing they are the ones fighting racism and anti-semitism. Its hilarious.

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Re: Clowns Playing Race Cards...Again
« Reply #27 on: August 04, 2019, 05:47:38 AM »

The Left is and has always been extremely racist. What is shocking to me is how thoroughly they have brainwashed people into believing they are the ones fighting racism and anti-semitism. Its hilarious.

You pretty much nailed it.

The bottom line: when you don't have a winning argument, accuse the other side of racism, it's worked so well for a long time.

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Re: Clowns Playing Race Cards...Again
« Reply #28 on: August 05, 2019, 06:08:07 AM »
The left / progressive element of the political spectrum is the element which voices the concerns of the minority and the under-represented. This is their role in culture and society. So naturally they will be the ones talking about brown and black races and issues relevant to those groups because that is their role.

Now it's a fair criticism to say the Democrat party uses their role as the progressive element to ulterior motives, and I think in some cases you probably have a fair point. But to criticize them simply for proverbially "playing the race card" is to not understand the role of the left in society.

Its much more than playing the race card. The Left criticize people purely based on the color of their skin. They are not saying: these policies will hurt this group. They are saying: you are white and you represent white supremacy blah. There are multiple times where white democratic presidential candidates apologized for being white. I FIND THIS DISGUSTING AND OUTRAGEOUS. For example:
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/07/21/marianne-williamson-white-people-prayer-of-apology-nr-vpx.cnn
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/03/why-michael-bloomberg-decided-not-to-run-for-president
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/03/biden-condemns-white-mans-culture-anita-hill-as-he-creeps-toward-2020

The essential belief of the left right now is that RACISM IS PERFECTLY OK. As long as its done to benefit the "right" races. Actually scratch that...the Left has exactly gone even further and redefined racism so that its impossible for a underprivileged group to be racist and its impossible for their to be racism against a privileged group. So since white people are privileged...racism against white people is according to the Left is impossible. I don't think you realize how dangerous this thinking is.

The Nazi's thought "capitalist jews" were the privileged people extracting wealth from honest German labour. They viewed themselves as victims. The Hutus believed the Tutsi's were privileged and parasites. In Zimbabwe it is the whites. In Uganda the Indians. In Thailand, Malaysia, Philippines and Indonesia its the Chinese. In Sri Lanka it was the Tamils. Looking around the world I can't see any good that has come from this way of thinking. Its led to genocide, mass death, civil war and horrors. In the best case it leads to something like India which honestly is a complete mess of competing groups.

The Left is and has always been extremely racist. What is shocking to me is how thoroughly they have brainwashed people into believing they are the ones fighting racism and anti-semitism. Its hilarious.

Great analysis! I wish H.G Wells and G.K. Chesterton were still alive. Would love to hear their analysis on the current global issues. Both of them were basically modern day profits and predicted so much of what happened and is currently happening in the world. Sadly I don't think their outlook would be very sunny.

"Anticipations" by H.G. Wells is worth a read if anyone is interested.