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rkbabang

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Re: Hell Has Finally Frozen Over!
« Reply #20 on: June 12, 2018, 12:48:16 PM »
The US has a way of dealing with disuptors that goes back a very long way. They serve for a while, then they don't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_assassination_attempts_and_plots

So far the man has lived for a very long time - but most would expect that the candle cannot have much left.
Were there an 'accident' tomorrow; would there be millions 'dancing in the streets', or just thousans with 'heads held low' ?

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I've never liked any president in my lifetime (including Trump), but wishing for someone's death is not something I'm capable of.
Had you said the above about Obama, you would have had a hundred messages posted already of people screaming at you.


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Re: Hell Has Finally Frozen Over!
« Reply #21 on: June 12, 2018, 02:08:46 PM »
The US has a way of dealing with disuptors that goes back a very long way. They serve for a while, then they don't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_assassination_attempts_and_plots

So far the man has lived for a very long time - but most would expect that the candle cannot have much left.
Were there an 'accident' tomorrow; would there be millions 'dancing in the streets', or just thousans with 'heads held low' ?

SD


I've never liked any president in my lifetime (including Trump), but wishing for someone's death is not something I'm capable of.
Had you said the above about Obama, you would have had a hundred messages posted already of people screaming at you.

We aren't wishing any harm on anyone.
We are just stating fact. The US has a long-record of disposing of disruptive presidents that goes back centuries. Not once, but multiple times, and Wikipedia is only referencing those attempts that were publicly reported. We were just blunt.

Events of this type have low probability, high impact economic outcomes, and as such - are 'black swan events' well in-scope for an investment board. We just had the poor taste to highlight that the probability would appear to be rising, and the temerity to suggest that such an event might be popular.

Louis XVI lost his head to the French revolution. Similar story with Tzar Nicholas II in the Russian revolution.
Events of this type are common, we just prefer not to be reminded of them.

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Re: Hell Has Finally Frozen Over!
« Reply #22 on: June 12, 2018, 02:41:22 PM »
The US has a way of dealing with disuptors that goes back a very long way. They serve for a while, then they don't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_assassination_attempts_and_plots

So far the man has lived for a very long time - but most would expect that the candle cannot have much left.
Were there an 'accident' tomorrow; would there be millions 'dancing in the streets', or just thousans with 'heads held low' ?

SD


I've never liked any president in my lifetime (including Trump), but wishing for someone's death is not something I'm capable of.
Had you said the above about Obama, you would have had a hundred messages posted already of people screaming at you.

I think you would have had hundreds of messages screaming if Obama had done this:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-astonishing-concession-kim-jong-un-north-korea-190814681.html

The deal with Iran pales in comparison...it would be like giving Kim Jong Un and China a bottle of two-buck "chuck!"  China and Russia are playing Trump like a fiddle and this is going to create a big problem for some administration 15-20 years down the road when the U.S. starts to look alot like Great Britain on the global stage.  Cheers!
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Re: Hell Has Finally Frozen Over!
« Reply #23 on: June 12, 2018, 05:43:04 PM »
^ This is what happens when you have a grown up child playing Mr. President. The politics are just hunches of his gut instincts or are they just brain farts. He likes the company of dictators more than of his allies, because the dictators appease him and that is all that counts at the moment.
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Re: Hell Has Finally Frozen Over!
« Reply #24 on: June 12, 2018, 06:25:27 PM »
The US has a way of dealing with disuptors that goes back a very long way. They serve for a while, then they don't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_assassination_attempts_and_plots

So far the man has lived for a very long time - but most would expect that the candle cannot have much left.
Were there an 'accident' tomorrow; would there be millions 'dancing in the streets', or just thousans with 'heads held low' ?

SD


I've never liked any president in my lifetime (including Trump), but wishing for someone's death is not something I'm capable of.
Had you said the above about Obama, you would have had a hundred messages posted already of people screaming at you.

I think you would have had hundreds of messages screaming if Obama had done this:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-astonishing-concession-kim-jong-un-north-korea-190814681.html

The deal with Iran pales in comparison...it would be like giving Kim Jong Un and China a bottle of two-buck "chuck!"  China and Russia are playing Trump like a fiddle and this is going to create a big problem for some administration 15-20 years down the road when the U.S. starts to look alot like Great Britain on the global stage.  Cheers!

Of course, only it would be most of the people now criticizing trump defending him, and the people now praising Trump criticizing him.  It's so predictable it's almost funny.

The same people who called Bush an actual war criminal, called for his arrest and prosecution, and were marching in the streets in protest praised Obama for doing worse.  It's all about teams, that's all.

I happen to agree with what Trump is doing. Imagine if North Korea or China were playing war games with Cuba in the Gulf of Mexico?  The US has no right to be over there at all.  Our ships have no business outside of US waters and our troops have no business outside US territories.  And I would have said exactly this any time you asked me during my entire adult life regardless of who was president.


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Re: Hell Has Finally Frozen Over!
« Reply #25 on: June 12, 2018, 06:55:41 PM »
The US has a way of dealing with disuptors that goes back a very long way. They serve for a while, then they don't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_assassination_attempts_and_plots

So far the man has lived for a very long time - but most would expect that the candle cannot have much left.
Were there an 'accident' tomorrow; would there be millions 'dancing in the streets', or just thousans with 'heads held low' ?

SD


I've never liked any president in my lifetime (including Trump), but wishing for someone's death is not something I'm capable of.
Had you said the above about Obama, you would have had a hundred messages posted already of people screaming at you.

I think you would have had hundreds of messages screaming if Obama had done this:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-astonishing-concession-kim-jong-un-north-korea-190814681.html

The deal with Iran pales in comparison...it would be like giving Kim Jong Un and China a bottle of two-buck "chuck!"  China and Russia are playing Trump like a fiddle and this is going to create a big problem for some administration 15-20 years down the road when the U.S. starts to look alot like Great Britain on the global stage.  Cheers!

Of course, only it would be most of the people now criticizing trump defending him, and the people now praising Trump criticizing him.  It's so predictable it's almost funny.

The same people who called Bush an actual war criminal, called for his arrest and prosecution, and were marching in the streets in protest praised Obama for doing worse.  It's all about teams, that's all.

I happen to agree with what Trump is doing. Imagine if North Korea or China were playing war games with Cuba in the Gulf of Mexico?  The US has no right to be over there at all.  Our ships have no business outside of US waters and our troops have no business outside US territories.  And I would have said exactly this any time you asked me during my entire adult life regardless of who was president.

I didn't agree with the Iraq war, whether it was under Bush or under Obama.  I don't think we should be meddling in other country's politics unless there is something severe occurring like genocide...and even that should be done through the UN (for better or worse).  But, in an era of nuclear proliferation and a handful of nations with enough nukes to annihilate everyone on the planet, I think a nuclear deterrent only works when you have the U.S. embedded in certain ally territories. 

The U.S. shouldn't have been the world's policeman in the first place, but now that they are, maybe they need to be and we cannot go back...although the word should be changed to peacekeeper.  Cheers!
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Re: Hell Has Finally Frozen Over!
« Reply #26 on: June 12, 2018, 07:57:50 PM »
The US has a way of dealing with disuptors that goes back a very long way. They serve for a while, then they don't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_assassination_attempts_and_plots

So far the man has lived for a very long time - but most would expect that the candle cannot have much left.
Were there an 'accident' tomorrow; would there be millions 'dancing in the streets', or just thousans with 'heads held low' ?

SD


I've never liked any president in my lifetime (including Trump), but wishing for someone's death is not something I'm capable of.
Had you said the above about Obama, you would have had a hundred messages posted already of people screaming at you.

I think you would have had hundreds of messages screaming if Obama had done this:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-astonishing-concession-kim-jong-un-north-korea-190814681.html

The deal with Iran pales in comparison...it would be like giving Kim Jong Un and China a bottle of two-buck "chuck!"  China and Russia are playing Trump like a fiddle and this is going to create a big problem for some administration 15-20 years down the road when the U.S. starts to look alot like Great Britain on the global stage.  Cheers!

Of course, only it would be most of the people now criticizing trump defending him, and the people now praising Trump criticizing him.  It's so predictable it's almost funny.

The same people who called Bush an actual war criminal, called for his arrest and prosecution, and were marching in the streets in protest praised Obama for doing worse.  It's all about teams, that's all.

I happen to agree with what Trump is doing. Imagine if North Korea or China were playing war games with Cuba in the Gulf of Mexico?  The US has no right to be over there at all.  Our ships have no business outside of US waters and our troops have no business outside US territories.  And I would have said exactly this any time you asked me during my entire adult life regardless of who was president.

I didn't agree with the Iraq war, whether it was under Bush or under Obama.  I don't think we should be meddling in other country's politics unless there is something severe occurring like genocide...and even that should be done through the UN (for better or worse).  But, in an era of nuclear proliferation and a handful of nations with enough nukes to annihilate everyone on the planet, I think a nuclear deterrent only works when you have the U.S. embedded in certain ally territories. 

The U.S. shouldn't have been the world's policeman in the first place, but now that they are, maybe they need to be and we cannot go back...although the word should be changed to peacekeeper.  Cheers!

Nuclear deterrent doesn't require troops or surface ships to be anywhere.  We have enough missiles in submarines to destroy the planet many times over.  We also can hit any spot on Earth with ICBMs.  Unwinding the empire would be tricky though.

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Re: Hell Has Finally Frozen Over!
« Reply #27 on: June 12, 2018, 08:06:41 PM »
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Equally surprising as Trump’s military announcement was the fact that he reportedly took this unilateral step without notifying South Korean and Japanese allies, or the Pentagon. The cancellation of the exercises has been a North Korean priority for decades, and in calling them “war games” and “provocative,” Trump adopted the rhetoric of Pyongyang
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Re: Hell Has Finally Frozen Over!
« Reply #28 on: June 12, 2018, 10:04:10 PM »
The US has a way of dealing with disuptors that goes back a very long way. They serve for a while, then they don't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_assassination_attempts_and_plots

So far the man has lived for a very long time - but most would expect that the candle cannot have much left.
Were there an 'accident' tomorrow; would there be millions 'dancing in the streets', or just thousans with 'heads held low' ?

SD


I've never liked any president in my lifetime (including Trump), but wishing for someone's death is not something I'm capable of.
Had you said the above about Obama, you would have had a hundred messages posted already of people screaming at you.

I think you would have had hundreds of messages screaming if Obama had done this:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-astonishing-concession-kim-jong-un-north-korea-190814681.html

The deal with Iran pales in comparison...it would be like giving Kim Jong Un and China a bottle of two-buck "chuck!"  China and Russia are playing Trump like a fiddle and this is going to create a big problem for some administration 15-20 years down the road when the U.S. starts to look alot like Great Britain on the global stage.  Cheers!

Of course, only it would be most of the people now criticizing trump defending him, and the people now praising Trump criticizing him.  It's so predictable it's almost funny.

The same people who called Bush an actual war criminal, called for his arrest and prosecution, and were marching in the streets in protest praised Obama for doing worse.  It's all about teams, that's all.

I happen to agree with what Trump is doing. Imagine if North Korea or China were playing war games with Cuba in the Gulf of Mexico?  The US has no right to be over there at all.  Our ships have no business outside of US waters and our troops have no business outside US territories.  And I would have said exactly this any time you asked me during my entire adult life regardless of who was president.

I didn't agree with the Iraq war, whether it was under Bush or under Obama.  I don't think we should be meddling in other country's politics unless there is something severe occurring like genocide...and even that should be done through the UN (for better or worse).  But, in an era of nuclear proliferation and a handful of nations with enough nukes to annihilate everyone on the planet, I think a nuclear deterrent only works when you have the U.S. embedded in certain ally territories. 

The U.S. shouldn't have been the world's policeman in the first place, but now that they are, maybe they need to be and we cannot go back...although the word should be changed to peacekeeper.  Cheers!

Nuclear deterrent doesn't require troops or surface ships to be anywhere.  We have enough missiles in submarines to destroy the planet many times over.  We also can hit any spot on Earth with ICBMs.  Unwinding the empire would be tricky though.

If your stationary nukes and nukes on subs are 15 minutes away by air, that's an advantage for someone else whose nukes are 40-50 minutes away.  Especially if you are utilizing a missile defense system or plan on shooting down any ICBM's.  Having bases in the Pacific or Europe also deters China and Russia from expanding their own bases, or even expanding their territories.  In essence, the U.S.'s despised bases in some 70+ countries, actually helps deter global conflict.  I wish they had never expanded after the Second World War, but they did and it was a necessary evil.  Cheers!
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Re: Hell Has Finally Frozen Over!
« Reply #29 on: June 12, 2018, 10:50:01 PM »
I think you would have had hundreds of messages screaming if Obama had done this:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-astonishing-concession-kim-jong-un-north-korea-190814681.html

The deal with Iran pales in comparison...it would be like giving Kim Jong Un and China a bottle of two-buck "chuck!"  China and Russia are playing Trump like a fiddle and this is going to create a big problem for some administration 15-20 years down the road when the U.S. starts to look alot like Great Britain on the global stage.  Cheers!
Weird thing about this, Monday night Chris Wallace was on Colbert saying he was afraid that Trump will do just that because that's what Kim really wants.

So there's your new US foreign policy: appease North Korea, attack Canada. Maybe we should announce that we'll start a nuclear weapons program.