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Re: Hell Has Finally Frozen Over!
« Reply #30 on: June 13, 2018, 05:47:52 AM »
"The man is a complete idiot in terms of grace, manners, intellect and is a total misogynist and a bigot.  But he knows what has worked for him over the years and he sticks to it like a stubborn mule...and if it works for him...then he truly believes it works for everyone else.  I read somewhere that his modus operandi is "No friends, no enemies!"  He unleashes chaos because it then creates confusion and opportunity.

Cardboard has gone off the deep end like many and swallowed the kool-aid, but the hardcore right-wing nutjobs did reveal something very important..."

I do hope that you are as good to recognize your own failings as you are to recognize them into others.

Cheers!

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Re: Hell Has Finally Frozen Over!
« Reply #31 on: June 13, 2018, 08:15:07 AM »
Let’s not post anything on this board that would prevent us from having a nice beer together , if we would meet face to face. The topic isn‘t worth the aggravation, imo.
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Re: Hell Has Finally Frozen Over!
« Reply #32 on: June 13, 2018, 09:36:16 AM »
Rubbing Canada, or Germany, and whatever ally country the wrong way isn't the end of the world. Whereas working to turn long time enemies and threats into at least neutralized parties, or god forbid even quasi allies, I don't see how this is a bad thing. For all the "change" people whine about wanting, and dissatisfaction with the good ole boys club inherent within the political system both domestically and globally among the G7, its hilarious to me how much bitching and moaning there is about anyone looking to shake things up. Forgetting the fact that we're also in a world where the anti Trump crowd's one dimensional game plan is to immediately find a negative spin the second anything Trump related comes up... Oh well. There is no question that even at it's worst, the summit with Kim was a positive event. Yet people want to cry about Trudeau's feelings being hurt or an off the cuff comment about stopping military drills(which any sensible person knows would have major conditions and definitely would not happen overnight). Bitch and moan, bitch and moan.

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« Reply #33 on: June 13, 2018, 10:01:20 AM »
"its hilarious to me how much bitching and moaning there is about anyone looking to shake things up.

Part of it may be resistance to change.
BTW, I also see the summit as a potential positive even if the strategy feels awkward but I submit that it's too early to call peace for our time.
Have always been fascinated by change and all kinds of restructurings.
In my limited experience, the best plans are based on reasonable objectives and fair dealings.

Can you elaborate on the intent and the objectives after things are shaken up?

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Re: Hell Has Finally Frozen Over!
« Reply #34 on: June 13, 2018, 10:19:37 AM »
Rubbing Canada, or Germany, and whatever ally country the wrong way isn't the end of the world. Whereas working to turn long time enemies and threats into at least neutralized parties, or god forbid even quasi allies, I don't see how this is a bad thing. For all the "change" people whine about wanting, and dissatisfaction with the good ole boys club inherent within the political system both domestically and globally among the G7, its hilarious to me how much bitching and moaning there is about anyone looking to shake things up. Forgetting the fact that we're also in a world where the anti Trump crowd's one dimensional game plan is to immediately find a negative spin the second anything Trump related comes up... Oh well. There is no question that even at it's worst, the summit with Kim was a positive event. Yet people want to cry about Trudeau's feelings being hurt or an off the cuff comment about stopping military drills(which any sensible person knows would have major conditions and definitely would not happen overnight). Bitch and moan, bitch and moan.

Black is white, white is black in the Red Hat Land.

Trudeau made a short statement at the end of G7: Canada will respond tit-for-tat for any tariffs imposed by Trump.

There was nothing new in that statement. Trudeau had said the exact same thing before the summit. That routine statement triggered an avalanche of insults from Trump and his minions. Bitch and moan is apt... describes Trump's reaction perfectly.

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Re: Hell Has Finally Frozen Over!
« Reply #35 on: June 13, 2018, 10:40:37 AM »
... even at it's worst, the summit with Kim was a positive event.

Kim would definitely agree with you.  He couldn't have asked for more.

Glad to see any form of dialogue, even excessive flattery, as opposed to military ratcheting.  But really I find it hard to give a lot of credit to someone when they de-escalate a conflict they themselves escalated. 

It's been over a year  and I'm still amazed at Trump's capacity for self-aggrandizement.

That said:  For the sake of the planet, and the NK people in particular, I sincerely hope the crazy orange squirrel has cracked the nut.   

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Yet people want to cry about Trudeau's feelings being hurt or an off the cuff comment about stopping military drills(which any sensible person knows would have major conditions and definitely would not happen overnight). Bitch and moan, bitch and moan.

Trump's comments regarding Trudeau were childish and, in many's opinion, unbefitting of the president.  This would remain true even if he dismantled the NK nukes himself with Jared holding the ladder.   Why shouldn't he be called out on them?   


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Re: Hell Has Finally Frozen Over!
« Reply #36 on: June 13, 2018, 10:54:09 AM »

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Re: Hell Has Finally Frozen Over!
« Reply #37 on: June 13, 2018, 11:03:06 AM »
"its hilarious to me how much bitching and moaning there is about anyone looking to shake things up.

Part of it may be resistance to change.
BTW, I also see the summit as a potential positive even if the strategy feels awkward but I submit that it's too early to call peace for our time.
Have always been fascinated by change and all kinds of restructurings.
In my limited experience, the best plans are based on reasonable objectives and fair dealings.

Can you elaborate on the intent and the objectives after things are shaken up?

That is definitely part of it. I also think people who want change, want it all on their terms and when they don't get what they want, have to fabricate stories and use scare tactics to try and reroute things the way they want them to go.

I think largely what's happening is that countries/institutions who have gotten sweetheart deals from the US for decades, don't like being told that they need to start giving a little bit back. It's like the UN for instance, is more or less funded by the US, yet provide very little reciprocation or benefit to the US. China basically gets to play by two sets of rules. Mexico does nothing to enforce borders and even if you look at what's going on in their "nicer" cities, it's an outright disaster. Trump it seems is resetting things and evaluating them based on business principles. Which when it comes to trade, is the right thing to do. If you can't/don't offer me anything that benefits me, why should you benefit? You shouldn't. Thus I use my leverage to readjust the degree to which doing business with you is more favorable to me.

Of course this is a process, and it will take a while. It's just startling how much dunce cap thinking coming from supposedly intelligent people. Not even first level thinking, it's like the type of people that read a headline on the newspaper, or overhear something while in line at the water cooler and then embrace that headline as their truth without any grasp of the finer details and larger implication behind everything present in it's substance. It's as though absolutely anything that occurs, no matter how positive(tax cuts, good economic numbers, improved relations with previous enemies) must be met with blind and largely "first level thinking" criticism just because one is so married to "their side". Rallying cries like "Trump's racist"(more in depth analysis would lead an informed person to the conclusion that the majority of US Presidents were most likely racist and this had little effect on their ability to do a good or bad job), he's a misogynist(again most presidents, let alone many business people, successful or not are. Being a pig, or a shitty person has little correlation to the success in your profession), "he's pissing off our allies!" (It's almost impossible to get anywhere in life without having to at least step on the toes of a few people), he's cozy with Russia/North Korea!!(again, looking to smooth over relationships that were previously sour! the horrors!).

So in relation to this place specifically, one in which I believe has a higher competency than most and as investors we should be trained to be somewhat contrarian and look for off shoots or mispriced or underappreciated angles; things others don't see, in order to succeed. Trump winning the election was so obvious to me and it was probably one of the most "mispriced" events in my lifetime. And yet, you can see it going back in the threads, so many smart people were utterly blinded by this first level mainstream thinking and rooting for "their candidate", that they missed it completely. And then were too busy rooting against the guy who beat their candidate, that they continue to miss out on opportunities that are obvious. And while one of the pillars of investing is learning from your mistakes, these people still seem to be so personally invested in their emotions and biases, that they still can't even turn it around. My inkling is there is quite of bit of under performance here. And its not because of one's political beleifs, but its an offshoot of the fact that when you get too emotionally invested in something, your inability to see opportunities and price the probability of outcomes becomes severely impaired. Its like "OMG Kim Jong Un is going to blow up the world because Trump SAID he would potentially remove military drills/personnel from the area". And that becomes the truth for these people and instead of looking for ways to capitalize on the off shoot outcomes, they just sit there and stew about big, bad ole Trump. Or my favorite, Russia. Russia is a world power. There is massive investment opportunity there if things thaw out a bit. Which appears likely it will under Trump. Very fertile grounds for investment. Nah bro! Evil Russia! Evil Putin, election interference! Collusion! Its all very amusing to me watching people behave like this.

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Re: Hell Has Finally Frozen Over!
« Reply #38 on: June 13, 2018, 11:19:33 AM »
For those still pumping Trudeau:

http://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/bonokoski-shocker-resurfaced-editorial-slams-justin-trudeau-as-a-groper

So perfect all these liberals...

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Who said Trudeau was perfect?   Let alone all liberals?    Is anybody on this board even "pumping" Trudeau? 







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Re: Hell Has Finally Frozen Over!
« Reply #39 on: June 13, 2018, 11:22:23 AM »
I sincerely hope the crazy orange squirrel has cracked the nut.   

I really liked the pun.  ;D
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