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cwericb

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Re: Help our country!
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2018, 04:13:16 AM »
Agree 100%. It makes no sense whatsoever for Atlantic Canada to have to import oil from the Middle East and Venezuela while Quebec holds Atlantic Canada and Alberta hostage. Excuse my language, but someone once described Quebec as the "pimple on the prick of progress".  Seems apt to me.


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Re: Help our country!
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2018, 04:57:10 AM »
Some thoughts for perspective.
These potentially unifying projects raise issues that are larger than simply return on capital.
I was/am part of the converted on this but want to respectfully submit that the "promoters" of the pipelines (my perspective FWIW) have used and continue to use an adversarial approach which was even considered by many to be colonial in nature.
I bet that if the project would have been presented as some kind of constructive partnership, the outcome could have been very different.

Some time ago, Dale Carnegie wrote: How to win friends & influence people.
Recently the University of Calgary produced a paper that is widely available.
www.energy.ca/energycouncil/sites/default/files/files/Of-Note-Publications/cnepra_-_energy-white-paper.pdf

Energy projects will remain and perhaps will become more and more controversial.
A while back, the formation of a transcontinental railway link was controversial but was an important milestone in Canadian history. The end of the line was a condition for BC to join the Confederation.
These projects have a potential to unite.   

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Re: Help our country!
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2018, 06:51:48 AM »
"These projects have a potential to unite."

They have. However, forget about uniting them all which is the problem with current politics of trying to please everybody. Special interest groups have become way too powerful.

In the case of Quebec, a stick and carrot approach is needed IMO. They cannot expect to be entitled to all this money and then to turn their back. Its the Federal that needs to stand up and say enough is enough.

Think 50 years from now and renewables are a much large piece of the pie or even all of it with fusion, do you see Quebec sending equalization payments to Alberta since they no longer have any useful resources?

Regarding B.C., if they were asking something reasonable in return for their cooperation: some equalization payments, better environmental guarantees, a certain percentage of jobs and economic activity to participate in these projects, things would be much smoother.

However, you have environmental obstructionists who will not accept anything. They think that they are doing a favour to the planet while all they are doing is hurting their citizens and the oil or gas is produced elsewhere with less environmental care.

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cwericb

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Re: Help our country!
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2018, 07:22:59 AM »
Yeah, well if anybody thinks anything is going to change as long as Mr. Trudeau is in power, good luck. I thought the previous Trudeau was a disaster, but Justin seems even worse.