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Gregmal

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His Real Motivation Is Becoming Clear
« on: July 04, 2019, 06:29:48 AM »
https://nypost.com/2019/07/04/rep-justin-amash-quits-the-republican-party/

As long thought, Amash's "impeach Trump" rhetoric was just self serving nonsense. Setting the stage for his own Presidential bid. Once it became clear he likely wouldn't even get re-elected to his current position, what does he do? Use America's birthday as his own platform to further HIS cause.

The good news, is if he does run, it will just further help Trump. I know plenty of Republicans who were part of the Never Trump crowd and didn't vote for him in '16. He still won handily and I don't think his base has changed. Whereas Amash, lately a hero to the left, definitely pulls a lot of the moderate Democrat vote to an Independent. Many, many of the moderate Dems want nothing to do with the current mostest diversity contestants like Koomala, Pocahontas, and Bernie.

Maybe he can even team up with John Kasich...
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Re: His Real Motivation Is Becoming Clear
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2019, 07:57:40 AM »
Why is what he said self serving?  He probably left the republican party because you can't get elected as a republican without at least tacitly supporting trump.  He knows he won't win the presidency as a third party, and yes he got media attention, but hes probably screwed as far as winning a seat in congress the next election whether hes a republican or not.  So as far as strategy, saying you should impeach trump is basically the equivalent of shooting himself in the foot.  Which leaves the only reasonable reason why he did it: because he truely believes it. 

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Re: His Real Motivation Is Becoming Clear
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2019, 08:12:42 AM »
Yes, and some people here should actually think about what Amash is warning about. But once again anyone who dares disagree with Trump must be an idiot. Is it really the 1930's all over again? No one is allowed to disagree with the great leader or they set themselves up to be attacked. Oh well...
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Re: His Real Motivation Is Becoming Clear
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2019, 11:04:07 AM »
LOL you guys literally have no vision or ability to connect the dots... Its like going to where the puck is, or even worse, going to were it was, rather than going to were it is going to be. Kind of like buying BRK when you have BAM or BX staring you in the face.

It amazes me people can't see these things, but then again, if they did, everyone would outperform in life. And if everyone outperformed, then no one would outperform because it would be average.  Let me help.

This is pure self serving rhetoric. In fact, a classic Trump move. When you face a no win situation, act like you never wanted to win in the first place, and then use the situation to create propaganda and positive fodder you can use later. Amash was part of the Never Trump Republicans and in terms of furthering his career, for the next 4-6 years was clearly going nowhere. So, what does he do? Come out with the impeachment stuff, knowing he'll get attention and endear himself to a new group of potential voters. Now this? Like seriously? How much of an attention seeker are you to have to "announce" you are leaving the Republican Party on the 4th of July!!! LOL. Blatant publicity stunt. But nevertheless, "leave" in dramatic fashion while saying some things that resonate with pretty much everyone. Leave the soil fertile.

So now, much like Trump in fact did, as well as others like Pocahontas(who was a Republican until the mid 90's), he has set the stage for success later on, with the flexibility to look at where momentum is, and go with it, whether as a Democrat, Republican, or Independent.

Derp. Derp. Blind Trump Loyalty! Derp...

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Re: His Real Motivation Is Becoming Clear
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2019, 11:14:01 AM »
"LOL you guys literally have no vision or ability to connect the dots..."

Perhaps. Or perhaps it is the other way around?

Eventually we will know for sure. You think things are going in a certain way while others think things are going in a completely different direction.

History will eventually show who is correct.

But perhaps past history has already warned us?

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Re: His Real Motivation Is Becoming Clear
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2019, 11:32:04 AM »
https://nypost.com/2019/07/04/rep-justin-amash-quits-the-republican-party/

As long thought, Amash's "impeach Trump" rhetoric was just self serving nonsense. Setting the stage for his own Presidential bid. Once it became clear he likely wouldn't even get re-elected to his current position, what does he do? Use America's birthday as his own platform to further HIS cause.

The good news, is if he does run, it will just further help Trump. I know plenty of Republicans who were part of the Never Trump crowd and didn't vote for him in '16. He still won handily and I don't think his base has changed. Whereas Amash, lately a hero to the left, definitely pulls a lot of the moderate Democrat vote to an Independent. Many, many of the moderate Dems want nothing to do with the current mostest diversity contestants like Koomala, Pocahontas, and Bernie.

Maybe he can even team up with John Kasich...

I don't understand why impeaching Trump is only a "leftie" or "self-serving" act?  You honestly don't think there are Republicans who don't like Trump's behavior?  That if he wasn't towing the right wing party goals, he wouldn't have been impeached already by his own party? 

There are enough disgusted people on both sides that abhor Trump's antics...but the Republicans in general, not unlike the Democrats, will kiss anyone's ass and eat sh*t if it accomplishes their vision.  Cheers!
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Re: His Real Motivation Is Becoming Clear
« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2019, 11:33:48 AM »
Past history, and human nature tell us the most likely outcomes.

Either this guy is the first major politician(I've met a couple very respectable local, small time politicians that are great people, but in order to go national you need to engage in the typical scumbaggery and adopt a snake-like spine) in history to have genuine concern and complete dedication to serving others and really helping people, OR, he is motivated by self interest and furthering his career...

As you can see, its not that dissimilar to many public company management teams. They talk the talk but are only out for themselves and personally, I can't stand and don't tolerate this fake benevolence bullshit. Politicians are the worst. They all pretend to care so deeply and be relatable but its all so clearly phony and manipulative. Certain segments of the population you cant blame for falling for it because they are low intellect and desperate, but average intellect and above people shouldn't be falling for this shit. No politician cares about anything but themselves.

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Re: His Real Motivation Is Becoming Clear
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2019, 11:35:45 AM »
https://nypost.com/2019/07/04/rep-justin-amash-quits-the-republican-party/

As long thought, Amash's "impeach Trump" rhetoric was just self serving nonsense. Setting the stage for his own Presidential bid. Once it became clear he likely wouldn't even get re-elected to his current position, what does he do? Use America's birthday as his own platform to further HIS cause.

The good news, is if he does run, it will just further help Trump. I know plenty of Republicans who were part of the Never Trump crowd and didn't vote for him in '16. He still won handily and I don't think his base has changed. Whereas Amash, lately a hero to the left, definitely pulls a lot of the moderate Democrat vote to an Independent. Many, many of the moderate Dems want nothing to do with the current mostest diversity contestants like Koomala, Pocahontas, and Bernie.

Maybe he can even team up with John Kasich...

I don't understand why impeaching Trump is only a "leftie" or "self-serving" act?  You honestly don't think there are Republicans who don't like Trump's behavior?  That if he wasn't towing the right wing party goals, he wouldn't have been impeached already by his own party? 

There are enough disgusted people on both sides that abhor Trump's antics...but the Republicans in general, not unlike the Democrats, will kiss anyone's ass and eat sh*t if it accomplishes their vision.  Cheers!

Sure there are Republicans who want to. Just as there were Republicans who hated Trump from day one. Its not news that the establishment utterly hates the guy and will do anything to get rid of him. That goes for Democrats and Republicans.

No one has been able to monetize this quite like Amash though.

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Re: His Real Motivation Is Becoming Clear
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2019, 07:06:47 AM »
https://nypost.com/2019/07/04/rep-justin-amash-quits-the-republican-party/

As long thought, Amash's "impeach Trump" rhetoric was just self serving nonsense. Setting the stage for his own Presidential bid. Once it became clear he likely wouldn't even get re-elected to his current position, what does he do? Use America's birthday as his own platform to further HIS cause.

The good news, is if he does run, it will just further help Trump. I know plenty of Republicans who were part of the Never Trump crowd and didn't vote for him in '16. He still won handily and I don't think his base has changed. Whereas Amash, lately a hero to the left, definitely pulls a lot of the moderate Democrat vote to an Independent. Many, many of the moderate Dems want nothing to do with the current mostest diversity contestants like Koomala, Pocahontas, and Bernie.

Maybe he can even team up with John Kasich...

1.) Amash is not a hero to the left
2.) He should be a hero to conservatives because he has the most conservative voting record in congress
3.) He is the most constitutionally grounded person in government
4.) He doesn't and hasn't taken bribes and money like everyone else. (see Ron Paul in the past)
5.) He has more pull than you think....Millennials are looking for a candidate that isn't the norm. Justin Amash pulls people from both sides of the isle. And I think down the road he could be a solid candidate.
6.) His agenda? I think you're simply mad that he left the party. Because everything he has done is political suicide and has strictly been out of principle. Tell me what he is gaining from doing this? His critical opinions of the government, congress and how we are operating is spot on. If you don't agree then I suggest you go read the Constitution and what past founding fathers have said (Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, etc). His article in The Washington post was spot on.
7.) Nothing wrong with using a significant day to gain attention as long as the intentions and motivation is good. What is more patriotic than pointing out the injustices and issues in government than on the very day which this country did exactly that against England?

I think your criticism against Amash unfounded as his record speaks for itself. And Greg I agree with and respect a lot of your opinions. Our current political climate is a direct result of the two party system.

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Re: His Real Motivation Is Becoming Clear
« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2019, 07:20:21 AM »
https://nypost.com/2019/07/04/rep-justin-amash-quits-the-republican-party/

As long thought, Amash's "impeach Trump" rhetoric was just self serving nonsense. Setting the stage for his own Presidential bid. Once it became clear he likely wouldn't even get re-elected to his current position, what does he do? Use America's birthday as his own platform to further HIS cause.

The good news, is if he does run, it will just further help Trump. I know plenty of Republicans who were part of the Never Trump crowd and didn't vote for him in '16. He still won handily and I don't think his base has changed. Whereas Amash, lately a hero to the left, definitely pulls a lot of the moderate Democrat vote to an Independent. Many, many of the moderate Dems want nothing to do with the current mostest diversity contestants like Koomala, Pocahontas, and Bernie.

Maybe he can even team up with John Kasich...

I don't understand why impeaching Trump is only a "leftie" or "self-serving" act?  You honestly don't think there are Republicans who don't like Trump's behavior?  That if he wasn't towing the right wing party goals, he wouldn't have been impeached already by his own party? 

There are enough disgusted people on both sides that abhor Trump's antics...but the Republicans in general, not unlike the Democrats, will kiss anyone's ass and eat sh*t if it accomplishes their vision.  Cheers!

Exactly

Impeaching Trump shouldn't be a partisan issue. I understand that there are people in government who want to impeach Trump simply because he is of another party. However this IS NOT why Amash wants to impeach him. He is strictly going by the Constitution. If people can't see that then they themselves are blinded by their own party affiliation.

This country needs to return to viewing things through the lens of The Constitution instead of the Democrat or Republican glasses. Nobody is above the law. Even if it's someone in your own party. This is the same logic that has family members defending family members when someone in their family commits a serious crime (murder for example). Its a genuine flaw of humanity. And Amash pointed this out in the Washington Post article by citing Washington and his views on the two party system.