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SharperDingaan

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How's that wall going bud?
« on: February 16, 2019, 11:03:05 AM »
“We shut down the government for 35 days, we put America through this crisis, we jeopardized our economy — for what?” said Senator Richard J. Durbin of Illinois, the second-ranking Democrat in the upper chamber and a member of the House-Senate committee that negotiated this week’s spending deal. “Totally unnecessary.”

“Only in Washington, D.C., can we start out with needing $25 billion for border security measures and expect applause at 1.37,” he said Tuesday on Fox News. “I mean, only in D.C. is that a winning deal.”

www.msn.com/en-ca/news/newspolitics/news-analysis-trump-puts-best-face-on-border-deal-as-aides-try-to-assuage-an-angry-right/ar-BBTzgoI?ocid=spartandhp

At one point last year, the president and Democrats were close to a deal in which he would get all $25 billion for the wall in exchange for protections for 1.8 million young immigrants brought to the country illegally as children. But Mr. Trump ultimately turned away because he also wanted cuts to legal immigration that Democrats would not accept.

By the time Mr. Trump met with Ms. Pelosi and Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, the Democratic leader, in December, they offered $1.375 billion. The president then insisted on $5.7 billion, and when he did not get it, much of the government was left without the funding to keep doors open.

The deal reached this week returned to the same $1.375 billion available in December to pay for 55 miles of fencing along the border, although not walls based on the new steel or concrete prototypes Mr. Trump has promoted.

25M/mile! (1375M/55) - what a great deal !!!
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Re: How's that wall going bud?
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2019, 12:17:48 PM »
Well, for once you got it right SD. Congratulations.

The Democrats proved there is no compromising with a radical leftist party for the good of the country - none.
Trump got beat at the Art of the Deal - no doubt.

A few more victories like this - and we'll be Venezuela.

So let's see what happens now - if the American people get pissed off enough  - look for them to react in 2020.
AOC and all the other nut-bags may be the best thing that ever happened to Trump.

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Re: How's that wall going bud?
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2019, 01:24:57 PM »
It's just the US constitution 'at work', doing what it's supposed to.

That Iran thing isn't going so well either. Neither is that Russia thing.
Distraction (N Korea) has limitations, & there can't be much juice left in the orange. The next election is in < 2 years, and unless the Republicans plan to run Trump again - there has to be a time limit on how much further this current engagement can go. The 'Office of the President' and the 'President' are not one and the same thing.

If there's going to be an impeachment, the republicans will need some time to clear the smell. The Chinese (trade), and the Russians (new arms race) also play the long game, and don't have to deal; Trump does.

The pendulum has swung towards polarization (versus right/left wing), accross the world, for quite some time now; but everything has it's time. Today there's a lot more to be gained by working together, to achieve a common good, versus just shouting. Simply offer Joe Six-Pack a Roosevelt type 'New Deal' that improves his/her prospects/day-to-day life, and Trumps 'popularism' goes up in smoke.

Trump has legitimately raised a number of very valid objections (cost of being 'policeman', poiltical corruption, immigration, etc.), but he's just too toxic a figure-head. There's a time for sh1t-kicking, and then there isn't.

Agreed it might not be too bad over the medium/long term.
Over the short/medium term - not so much.

SD
 

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Re: How's that wall going bud?
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2019, 01:55:36 PM »
That all may be a little overstated.

- Iran is going just fine. The mullahs are on notice that if a "red line" is set - they don't dare cross it less they want holy hell to rain down on them.
  Unlike Obama, Trump follows up on his threats. And now, Trump has mobilized much of the Mideast against Iran.

- The Russia Hoax is coming to an end - and the real fun starts when the American people figure out it was all a political coup undertaken
   by a partisan FBI, DOJ and media. I'm really going enjoy this show.

- North Korea: NO President has EVER made as much progress as this President with the Hermit Kingdom. Get behind the guy already - as
  Americans - we should all hope progress continues.

- Polarization:  Thank your hero Barrack Obama for making identity politics the new tactic of the Left, when losing political power - and in
  the process stirring up hatred among both parties. Besides being Black, this will be Obama's lasting legacy - Identity Politics as the main weapon.
  When losing political power - call your opponent a racist - a brilliant, if ugly new tactic by the Left brought to you by Obama.

You'll see how toxic it gets in 2020 with the looney Left:  my prediction, if the economy is good, American's will reject socialism and continue
with a President whose main agenda is not LGBTQ, climate change, killing free speech, big government, and uncontrolled illegal immigration.
It's a war against an insane Left - and compromise is not in the Left's playbook.

The Democrats will double down on failure, having learned nothing from the last election.

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Re: How's that wall going bud?
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2019, 02:51:32 PM »
Hey all:

There are MANY on the "left" who claim that walls are immoral and not effective.

Fair enough.

HOWEVER, there are many, many miles of wall/fences ALREADY built up on the USA/Mexican border.  Off the top of my head, I think of San Diego/Tijuana and the El Paso area.

Why are they not talking about taking these walls down?  Why go halfway?

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Re: How's that wall going bud?
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2019, 06:26:32 AM »
We have a market.

Roll up, roll up, put your money on the orange man! Will he blow himself up? Will he be America's saving angel? Heads you win, odds to make you cry for!, roll up for the mystery tour! Or will the dogs take the fat man down?, red meat for the masses, and lots of it! The Chinese, the Russians, the Iranians, the Norh Koreans; the Democrats!. Place your  bets - before it's too late!

Both the Republican and Democrat parties have been around for a very long time, and each has survived its many 'enbarrassing' presidents; but it's always the 'party' that 'wins', not the encumbent. There is little reason to believe, that will be any different today. The question is whether Trump's still standing on the hangman's platform, or has the drop begun?

You're 'hired to fire', goes for the president too.

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Re: How's that wall going bud?
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2019, 05:46:48 PM »
Yeah, you're right SD - we really don't need a wall - there's no drug problem or criminal element issue with the border:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/6-illegal-immigrants-arrested-in-nc-for-drug-trafficking-operation-officials-say

No big deal...
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Re: How's that wall going bud?
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2019, 11:55:23 PM »
Hey all:

There are MANY on the "left" who claim that walls are immoral and not effective.

Fair enough.

HOWEVER, there are many, many miles of wall/fences ALREADY built up on the USA/Mexican border.  Off the top of my head, I think of San Diego/Tijuana and the El Paso area.

Why are they not talking about taking these walls down?  Why go halfway?

That same stupid logic would then apply to everything...Republicans should push for zero taxes on corporations and individuals...Democrats should push for Universal healthcare and no private healthcare...environmentalists should push for zero emissions beginning tomorrow...athletes who use steroids should push for everyone to use steroids during competition...etc.

No one is saying walls don't work...just that they aren't the end all solution to the problem...and that the President who has a habit of using limited and inaccurate facts, is unilaterally spending money on a single idea that may have limited effect at this point.  All people are asking is that dollars be spent where they will have the most bang for the buck towards a solution...isn't that what all citizens should want?  Cheers!
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Re: How's that wall going bud?
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2019, 06:41:13 AM »
Hey all:

There are MANY on the "left" who claim that walls are immoral and not effective.

Fair enough.

HOWEVER, there are many, many miles of wall/fences ALREADY built up on the USA/Mexican border.  Off the top of my head, I think of San Diego/Tijuana and the El Paso area.

Why are they not talking about taking these walls down?  Why go halfway?

Actually Beto has started talking about tearing the wall down.
https://nypost.com/2019/02/15/beto-orourke-id-absolutely-tear-down-border-wall-in-el-paso/

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Re: How's that wall going bud?
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2019, 08:24:48 AM »
Cubsfan, if you cant pay for your drugs, there's no dealer to sell them to you.
There's also 'Make America Great Again'. Buy American! your criminal establishment needs you!

Few dispute that the US has a border problem, but putting a wall up isn't a practical solution.
This whole 'hysteria' is simply because Trump has put himself in a political box, that he can't get out of; no 'wall', and his base turns on him. Change the president, or build the wall, which one is more practical?

Our own thoughts are that the 'wall' money would be more effectively spent on simply expanding the trades schools in each of the southern border states. An illegal with a US trade certification will have a much higher quality of life back home. And those who choose to stay are now more valuable skilled labour.

Poverty, and privilege, with no place to go.
The real problem is the large numbers of semi-literate and unskilled american citizens in the southern border states, with very limited opportunities. Who are you going to hire? - the illegal who wants to work and can be paid under the table, or the american who acts like he/she is owed the job - simply because he/she is american? Gimme the job, or 'the boys in the sheets' will torch your place tonight?

It is no accident that this is much of Trumps base, and that they love him. He is by far, their best shot at change.
And that it's essentially the same thing in many other parts of the world as well.

Simply offer Trumps base a real 'new deal', and Trump's done.
The squeeky wheel gets the grease.

SD
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