Author Topic: How's that wall going bud?  (Read 2636 times)

Cigarbutt

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Re: How's that wall going bud?
« Reply #20 on: February 23, 2019, 06:53:25 AM »
Reading Mr. Buffett's letter, trying to reconcile the long-term optimism and the short term caution, there may be a link with this topic.

When President Reagan offerd his vision, in his 1987 speech before the Brandenburg gates, many felt he was irrelevant when he said: "Tear down this wall". I would say he was not referring to the physical barrier, he was referring to the opportunity that the Soviets had, at the time.

In that optimist spirit, I would suggest to tear down this wall, the one that is lying in Congress. The US will do well, exceedingly well, but the sooner the better.


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Re: How's that wall going bud?
« Reply #21 on: February 23, 2019, 07:14:11 AM »
"I would say he was not referring to the physical barrier, he was referring to the opportunity that the Soviets had, at the time."

And what was the cause for that missed opportunity by the Soviets? Communism, socialism, government control.

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Re: How's that wall going bud?
« Reply #22 on: February 23, 2019, 07:17:36 AM »
Reading Mr. Buffett's letter, trying to reconcile the long-term optimism and the short term caution, there may be a link with this topic.

When President Reagan offerd his vision, in his 1987 speech before the Brandenburg gates, many felt he was irrelevant when he said: "Tear down this wall". I would say he was not referring to the physical barrier, he was referring to the opportunity that the Soviets had, at the time.

In that optimist spirit, I would suggest to tear down this wall, the one that is lying in Congress. The US will do well, exceedingly well, but the sooner the better.


You're clearly correct.  However, I've been waiting for that metaphorical wall to come down for far too long. It's time to try something else to fix the problem - even if it's "wrong."

Cigarbutt

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Re: How's that wall going bud?
« Reply #23 on: February 23, 2019, 07:31:05 AM »
Winston Churchill once noted that Americans will always do the right thing, only after they have tried everything else. :)

"Our country’s almost unbelievable prosperity has been gained in a bipartisan manner. Since 1942, we have
had seven Republican presidents and seven Democrats. In the years they served, the country contended at various times
with a long period of viral inflation, a 21% prime rate, several controversial and costly wars, the resignation of a
president, a pervasive collapse in home values, a paralyzing financial panic and a host of other problems. All
engendered scary headlines; all are now history."   (my bold)

Warren Buffett, February 2019

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Re: How's that wall going bud?
« Reply #24 on: February 23, 2019, 08:18:44 AM »
We get what we vote for.
The founding fathers put checks and balances in on day-1, they work very well, and they continue to work today. Todays dysfunction just reflects the dysfunction of US society; the same thing occurred in Nixon's time - remember the civil rights movement and the Vietnam war? Sure we don't like NOT being able to do what we want, but the discourse is a healthy pressure release valve.

Gated communities are just gilded bird cages. They simply reflect the fears of those inside the cage, and their inability to adapt to the changing culture around them. You can be isolationist, and hide behind a wall; or you can mix with your surrounding culture, take their best things, and thrive. Ability to adapt. 

Every empire has its time; empires everywhere rise and fall, and the US in no exception.
The US does many things very well, however it is also badly in need of a wide-spread infrastructure rebuild. Social, economic, innovation, pretty much everything. But its also one of the few places, in the world, where you can do this without getting shot. Most recognize that once the US gets its act together - it'll be a great place.

The US today is much like the friend at the bar who's had too much to drink, that is picking fights with everyone. Friends can only do so much; after a while its just a recovery operation, and arranging how the now passed-out friend is going to pay for the broken furniture.

Replace the president, or build the wall, which is the more practical option?
Friends would suggest replace the president.

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Re: How's that wall going bud?
« Reply #25 on: February 23, 2019, 08:55:20 AM »
We get what we vote for.
The founding fathers put checks and balances in on day-1, they work very well, and they continue to work today. Todays dysfunction just reflects the dysfunction of US society; the same thing occurred in Nixon's time - remember the civil rights movement and the Vietnam war? Sure we don't like NOT being able to do what we want, but the discourse is a healthy pressure release valve.

Gated communities are just gilded bird cages. They simply reflect the fears of those inside the cage, and their inability to adapt to the changing culture around them. You can be isolationist, and hide behind a wall; or you can mix with your surrounding culture, take their best things, and thrive. Ability to adapt. 

Every empire has its time; empires everywhere rise and fall, and the US in no exception.
The US does many things very well, however it is also badly in need of a wide-spread infrastructure rebuild. Social, economic, innovation, pretty much everything. But its also one of the few places, in the world, where you can do this without getting shot. Most recognize that once the US gets its act together - it'll be a great place.

The US today is much like the friend at the bar who's had too much to drink, that is picking fights with everyone. Friends can only do so much; after a while its just a recovery operation, and arranging how the now passed-out friend is going to pay for the broken furniture.

Replace the president, or build the wall, which is the more practical option?
Friends would suggest replace the president.

SD

Clinton, Bush (W) and Obama have all contributed to the rather extensive amount of wall that we already have in place.  Trump is only doing what previous presidents have done.  I don't understand your point - other than you don't like him.

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Re: How's that wall going bud?
« Reply #26 on: February 23, 2019, 10:23:12 AM »
Put a wall up, and you build a gilded cage.
The wall appeals, because the US is not adapting well to changing circumstance
The heartland population is in denial, and being exploited for it.

Trump's just an opportunistic daddy's boy, who lucked out
Scum around the bathtub, but largely unavoidable. Wash with soap, and there will be scum :D

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Re: How's that wall going bud?
« Reply #27 on: February 23, 2019, 10:49:23 AM »
Put a wall up, and you build a gilded cage.
The wall appeals, because the US is not adapting well to changing circumstance
The heartland population is in denial, and being exploited for it.

Trump's just an opportunistic daddy's boy, who lucked out
Scum around the bathtub, but largely unavoidable. Wash with soap, and there will be scum :D

SD

Think of the wall as soap. It will help reduce the scum...

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Re: How's that wall going bud?
« Reply #28 on: February 23, 2019, 11:08:05 AM »
They should build the wall with allegations of Russian collusion - that way no one will be able to get over it.  (Stole the joke)

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Re: How's that wall going bud?
« Reply #29 on: February 23, 2019, 12:33:06 PM »
Aah ... but are they my kind of scum!

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