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LC

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Just in case anyone forgot
« on: June 22, 2019, 11:01:35 PM »
A quick update on the detention centers. Oh right, those things.

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/c3seo4/ahead_of_ice_raids_illinois_governor_bans_private/ersx3h0/


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- 4 Severely Ill Migrant Toddlers Hospitalized After Lawyers Visit Border Patrol Facility

The kids were unresponsive, feverish and vomiting, yet receiving no medical care, according to lawyers.

One 2-year-old’s eyes were rolled back in her head, and she was “completely unresponsive” and limp, according to Toby Gialluca, a Florida-based attorney.



- A group of 250 infants, children and teens has reportedly spent 27 days without adequate food, water and sanitation at a U.S. Border Patrol facility near El Paso, according to the Associated Press.

Several attorneys who visited the station said they found at least 15 children sick with the flu, some of whom were being kept in medical quarantine.

They described seeing a sick and diaper-less 2-year-old boy whose “shirt was smeared in mucus.” Three girls, from the ages of 10 to 15, were taking turns watching him.



- Watchdog finds detainees 'standing on toilets' for breathing room at border facility holding 900 people in space meant for 125

"We also observed detainees standing on toilets in the cells to make room and gain breathing space, thus limiting access to the toilets," the report states. The report was first obtained by CNN.

A cell with a maximum capacity of 12 held 76 detainees, another with a maximum capacity of eight held 41, and another with a maximum capacity of 35 held 155, according to the report



- Teen Mom And Prematurely Born Baby Neglected At Border Patrol Facility For 7 Days

The baby, barely a month old, was wrapped in a dirty towel, wore a soiled onesie and looked listless, said one of the lawyers, Hope Frye. The mother was in a wheelchair due to complications from her emergency C-section and had barely slept ― the pain made it too uncomfortable for her to lie down and she was afraid of dropping her baby, the immigration and human rights attorney said.

- An Expert on Concentration Camps Says That's Exactly What the U.S. Is Running at the Border

"Things can be concentration camps without being Dachau or Auschwitz."



- DHS watchdog finds spoiled food, nooses at multiple immigration detention centers

OIG described the food service issues at Adelanto and Essex as “egregious.” At Adelanto, “lunch meat and cheese were mixed and stored uncovered inlarge walk-in refrigerators,” while chicken “smelled foul and appeared to be spoiled.” Food in the freezer was also expired. At Essex, “open packages of raw chicken leaked blood all over refrigeration units” and “lunch meat was slimy, foulsmelling and appeared to be spoiled.”

At the facility’s bathrooms, OIG observed mold throughout all the walls in the bathroom area, including ceilings, vents, mirrors, and showerstalls. Prolonged exposure to mold and mildew can lead to allergic reactions and long-term health issues.

“The report’s findings reveal that issues in ICE detention are not isolated — they are systemic,”

- Thousands of Immigrant Children Said They Were Sexually Abused in U.S. Detention Centers, Report Says

The federal government received more than 4,500 complaints in four years about the sexual abuse of immigrant children who were being held at government-funded detention facilities, including an increase in complaints while the Trump administration’s policy of separating migrant families at the border was in place, the Justice Department revealed this week.

- 'Evil': Worst Fears Realized as ICE Arrests Dozens of Family or Guardians Attempting to Retrieve Children From Detention



- ICE facility in the middle of chicken pox outbreak has one doctor to treat 1,500 detainees, congressman says

An immigration detention facility in Aurora, Colorado, has just one in-house physician treating its 1,500-plus detainees amid a chicken pox outbreak and a confirmed case of mumps, according to a U.S. congressman. And when the legislator tried to visit the facility Wednesday, he was turned away.



- ICE Blames “Processing Delays” For Keeping Migrant Kids in a Hot Van for 2 Nights

Last July, 37 migrant children who had been separated from their parents at the border were driven to a detention center in Los Fresnos, Texas, to be reunited with their families. Before that could happen, though, the children were forced to wait nearly two days in a van, according to emails obtained by NBC News.



- Trump administration cancels English classes, soccer, legal aid for unaccompanied child migrants in U.S. shelters



- Trump’s pick for ICE director: I can tell which migrant children will become gang members by looking into their eyes



- Children held at the Shiloh Treatment Center, a government contractor south of Houston that houses immigrant minors, described being held down and injected, according to federal court filings.

One child was prescribed 10 different shots and pills, including the antipsychotic drugs Latuda, Geodon and Olanzapine, the Parkinson’s medication Benztropine, the seizure medications Clonazepam and Divalproex, the nerve pain medication and antidepressant Duloxetine, and the cognition enhancer Guanfacine.

Immigrants Are Being Forced To Sleep Outside On The Ground At This Texas Facility: "Why Do They Treat Us Like This?"

People who were held at the McAllen Border Patrol site told BuzzFeed News adults and children had to sleep outside on dirt and grass. Families were also forced to wake up hours before dawn for a head count, with agents rousing children who managed to get a coveted space inside the tent to wait outside, they said.

That last quote brings back memories of basic training... except worse and being done to unwilling children.

Images of migrants, including children, sleeping outside with thermal blankets were first published by CNN, which got them from a source with access to the facility and who was “disturbed” by the conditions. In one photo, a woman is sitting on rocks, leaning on the side of the building, and clutching a baby. In another, a young girl is sleeping on the grass, a baby bottle inches from her feet.

8-Year-Old Migrants Being Forced to Care for Toddlers in Detention Camps

"A Border Patrol agent came in our room with a 2-year-old boy and asked us, 'Who wants to take care of this little boy?' Another girl said she would take care of him, but she lost interest after a few hours and so I started taking care of him yesterday," one teenaged girl told the lawyers in an interview. The lawyers saw the boy and reported that he was not wearing a diaper, had wet his pants and his shirt was covered in mucus.

So... we have people being locked in facilities without trial. Some are so overcrowded that people are forced to stand up. Food and water is spoiled, sexual abuse is rampant, and medical treatment is not adequately provided(1 doctor to treat 1500). The facilities themselves are riddled with mold. Men, Women, and children are forced to sleep outside and wake up before dawn for head counts, and will be punished for seeking shelter in tents. Children are being forced to take psychotropic drugs without consent (likely to make the population more easily manageable). Children are being held for longer durations than legally allowed, and family members are arrested for trying to retrieve their children. To prove how totally cool and legal these ``basically summer camps`` are, they deny oversight at any possible opportunity.

Don`t you dare call them concentration camps though
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Re: Just in case anyone forgot
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2019, 01:48:58 PM »
Yes, those camps that Obama was using you mean?

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-barack-obama-fort-sill-former-japanese-internment-camp-1443785

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2019/06/12/again-was-there-the-outrage-when-obama-used-a-former-japanese-internment-camp-to-detain-illegals-n2548125

Comparisons between Trump and Obama on immigration usually focus on deportations of unauthorized immigrants living in the US. Trump has been rapidly expanding enforcement, but the numbers are still comparable to Obama’s first term. Obama holds the record for deporting more immigrants than any president, with more than 2 million deportations over eight years.

To refer to these detention centers as concentration camps does a disservice to the memory of the 6 million people who actually died in real concentration camps during the Second World War.

But yes, Orange Man Bad......
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Re: Just in case anyone forgot
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2019, 11:23:43 PM »
It doesn't matter whether it was Obama or Trump...they should be pouring more money and resources into making sure it's done right.  I'm on the side of removing illegal immigrants who don't follow protocol or miss their required meetings, and making sure it isn't as easy to get in illegally going forward, but it should be done humanely and every effort made to ensure this stuff doesn't happen.  Cheers!
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Re: Just in case anyone forgot
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2019, 03:35:55 AM »
It doesn't matter whether it was Obama or Trump...they should be pouring more money and resources into making sure it's done right.  I'm on the side of removing illegal immigrants who don't follow protocol or miss their required meetings, and making sure it isn't as easy to get in illegally going forward, but it should be done humanely and every effort made to ensure this stuff doesn't happen.  Cheers!

I don't think anyone is against those things Parsad but Democrats are doing everything they can to not fund border security. Further the lefts referral to detention centers as concentration camps sickens me. The horror of true concentration camps should not be watered down by virtue signaling snowflakes....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camps


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Re: Just in case anyone forgot
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2019, 07:22:54 AM »
It doesn't matter whether it was Obama or Trump...they should be pouring more money and resources into making sure it's done right.  I'm on the side of removing illegal immigrants who don't follow protocol or miss their required meetings, and making sure it isn't as easy to get in illegally going forward, but it should be done humanely and every effort made to ensure this stuff doesn't happen.  Cheers!

I don't think anyone is against those things Parsad but Democrats are doing everything they can to not fund border security. Further the lefts referral to detention centers as concentration camps sickens me. The horror of true concentration camps should not be watered down by virtue signaling snowflakes....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camps

It's certainly a bit of both. This past decade of politics can be boiled down to a single term coined by Thomas Sowell "Cosmic Justice."

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Re: Just in case anyone forgot
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2019, 07:34:35 AM »
I don't think anyone is against those things Parsad but Democrats are doing everything they can to not fund border security. Further the lefts referral to detention centers as concentration camps sickens me. The horror of true concentration camps should not be watered down by virtue signaling snowflakes....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camps
Last I checked this is a policy set by the White House, and the White House bears responsibility for how these people are treated.

And yes, they are concentration camps (distinct from death camps) and they have a long history of being used to oppress political enemies and minority groups. Including here in the US - or have you forgot treatment of the Japanese during WW2?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_concentration_and_internment_camps
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Re: Just in case anyone forgot
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2019, 09:16:01 AM »
I don't think anyone is against those things Parsad but Democrats are doing everything they can to not fund border security. Further the lefts referral to detention centers as concentration camps sickens me. The horror of true concentration camps should not be watered down by virtue signaling snowflakes....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camps
Last I checked this is a policy set by the White House, and the White House bears responsibility for how these people are treated.

And yes, they are concentration camps (distinct from death camps) and they have a long history of being used to oppress political enemies and minority groups. Including here in the US - or have you forgot treatment of the Japanese during WW2?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_concentration_and_internment_camps

Oh yes, damn Trump for forcing those poor people to sneak into the country illegally. How dare he repress them by detaining them for breaking the law!!

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Re: Just in case anyone forgot
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2019, 09:34:50 AM »
First, not all of these people are entering illegally. Some are seeking asylum.

Secondly, just because someone is in the country illegally, DOES NOT give anyone the right to force them into subhuman conditions or concentration camps.
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Re: Just in case anyone forgot
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2019, 10:03:02 AM »
First, not all of these people are entering illegally. Some are seeking asylum.

Secondly, just because someone is in the country illegally, DOES NOT give anyone the right to force them into subhuman conditions or concentration camps.

Not saying that there aren't people seeking asylum....but the vast majority aren't. And a lot of the ones that are claiming asylum are simply using it as an excuse. How do I know this? because my job takes me all over Mexico and South America. There are plenty of countries down there that are stable, closer, and make better candidates for asylum seekers. Not saying that people shouldn't come seek asylum in the US. I'm simply saying that if they were truly seeking asylum out of complete desperation they wouldn't by bypassing a dozen countries that are more than adequate. Even many of the countries that people give a bad rap in SA are much better than what you see in the media etc (and I'm not downplaying Venezuela, Brazil and others). But Mexico has many good areas, so does Argentina, Chile, Panama, Peru, Ecuador, Costa Rica. I realize the US may be the closest for some. But even the people coming from Mexico are bypassing many good areas in Mexico itself.

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Re: Just in case anyone forgot
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2019, 11:06:42 AM »
First, not all of these people are entering illegally. Some are seeking asylum.

Secondly, just because someone is in the country illegally, DOES NOT give anyone the right to force them into subhuman conditions or concentration camps.

The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum disagrees with your instance on calling detainment centers concentration camps. And if you are truly seeking asylum why not seek asylum in Mexico and apply for legal entry in the US?

https://www.ushmm.org/information/press/press-releases/why-holocaust-analogies-are-dangerous

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