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cubsfan

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Re: Just in case anyone forgot
« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2019, 07:53:22 AM »
Interesting video - a collection of democrats on border security prior to Trump being elected.....my oh my what a bunch of Nazis! Demanding enforcement of laws, sending troops to the border, deporting poor illegals.....

https://twitter.com/jaxucks2/status/1142542793635745792

I love it - total hypocrites. 


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Re: Just in case anyone forgot
« Reply #21 on: June 25, 2019, 08:08:34 AM »
Interesting video - a collection of democrats on border security prior to Trump being elected.....my oh my what a bunch of Nazis! Demanding enforcement of laws, sending troops to the border, deporting poor illegals.....

https://twitter.com/jaxucks2/status/1142542793635745792

While it's a cute "gotcha" moment, nobody has argued against border security - only the effectiveness of a wall.

But that's a separate topic. We are talking about the humane treatment and processing of people who have already crossed the border.
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Re: Just in case anyone forgot
« Reply #22 on: June 25, 2019, 09:11:37 AM »
Interesting video - a collection of democrats on border security prior to Trump being elected.....my oh my what a bunch of Nazis! Demanding enforcement of laws, sending troops to the border, deporting poor illegals.....

https://twitter.com/jaxucks2/status/1142542793635745792

While it's a cute "gotcha" moment, nobody has argued against border security - only the effectiveness of a wall.

But that's a separate topic. We are talking about the humane treatment and processing of people who have already crossed the border.

Yes, people need to be treated decently, like human beings not animals, but the current "crisis" is brought on by the democrats who not only refuse to fund border security but encourage people to enter illegally.

Democrats were okay with deportation when it was Obama doing it. And a wall isn't effective? Funny that because both Clinton and Obama wanted funding for a wall. Its just now, with Trump as president, that suddenly walls don't work etc, etc. When people were held in detention centers under Obama it was okay but now they are "concentration camps".  It was okay for Obama to send troops to the border but mean Trump is keeping the poor soldiers away from their families. 

Just be honest and admit that democrats are being hypocrites.

 

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Re: Just in case anyone forgot
« Reply #23 on: June 25, 2019, 09:46:55 AM »
What we need is a better solution from our current President to storing humans in tiny rooms and treating them worse than cattle raised for slaughter.

If we as a society need to point blame before acknowledging that, that is a sad fact. And we are no different than every politician in DC using a humanitarian crisis as a political battleground. And that attitude is exactly the problem.
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Re: Just in case anyone forgot
« Reply #24 on: June 27, 2019, 07:22:24 AM »
First, not all of these people are entering illegally. Some are seeking asylum.

Secondly, just because someone is in the country illegally, DOES NOT give anyone the right to force them into subhuman conditions or concentration camps.

Sure it does. A government can do as it sees fit. Who are you to tell it what it should or shouldn't do?

You do not believe humans have any inalienable rights, correct?  If they do have rights more powerful than what a government says or does, what basis do you have for that?

I find your views on morality quite irrational given that you view all morality as subjective.

I get the feeling that you think morality transcends us...though you claim to think otherwise. ;)

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Re: Just in case anyone forgot
« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2019, 03:44:17 PM »
You know I forgot to respond to this one Paul. Although I'm sure you can guess all my responses  ;D

Re: who I am to tell the gov't what to do...I mean, this is a democracy. The power of gov't, like human morality, comes from its constituents.

Re: the moral relativism...this again? The evidence certainly supports it. Human behavioral norms (and the codes of behavior we have created) have obviously changed and evolved over time.

As to absolute morality - you'd have to tell us where this absolute morality comes from and what gives you the right to interpret it.
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Re: Just in case anyone forgot
« Reply #26 on: June 29, 2019, 01:58:26 PM »
Democrats = Hypocrisy

Former President Barack Obama’s top immigration chief in charge of removing illegal immigrants said that the “cages” Democrats have accused President Trump of housing children in were the brainchild of the Obama administration.

“I’ve been to that facility, where they talk about cages. That facility was built under President Obama under (Homeland Security) Secretary Johnson. I was there because I was there when it was built,” said Thomas Homan, who was Obama’s executive associate director of Immigration and Customs Enforcement for nearly four years.

At an immigration conference today, Homan, under consideration for a new position of “border czar” in the Trump administration, grew visibly angry answering a question about “cages” often cited by Democratic critics of the president.

Homan, who ran Obama’s successful deportation operation, ripped Democrats who question Trump immigration officials on the Obama-era idea.

He cited one Democratic chairman who asked a Trump official, “You still keeping kids in cages?”

Homan, at the conference hosted by the Center for Immigration Studies, said, “I would answer the question, ‘The kids are being house in the same facility built under the Obama administration.’ If you want to call them cages, call them cages. But if the left wants to call them cages and the Democrats want to call them cages then they have to accept the fact that they were built and funded in FY 2015.”

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Re: Just in case anyone forgot
« Reply #27 on: June 29, 2019, 01:59:14 PM »
"The people in Congress complaining about the conditions of people in custody are the very same people who are not giving the funding to make those facilities better. What have they done to address the crisis at all? What has Congress done?" -Tom Homan#BorderCrisisPanel

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Re: Just in case anyone forgot
« Reply #28 on: June 29, 2019, 02:32:07 PM »
Nothing new. Pretty sure LC started calling them cages too in 2017.

cubsfan

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Re: Just in case anyone forgot
« Reply #29 on: June 29, 2019, 03:14:24 PM »
Democrats = Hypocrisy

If you want to call them cages, call them cages. But if the left wants to call them cages and the Democrats want to call them cages then they have to accept the fact that they were built and funded in FY 2015.”

Classic!!