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SafetyinNumbers

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Re: Dont Cast Blacks In a Leading Role
« Reply #50 on: March 29, 2019, 01:39:27 PM »
Are there too many white reporters too? 

https://www.nbcboston.com/news/national-international/Only-Black-Reporters-Allowed-in-Georgia-Mayoral-Race-Event-507833921.html

Looks to me like segregation is making a comeback. And the left is ok with that.

You have polled the left?

I'm not on the left but I don't think this is ok.

Look at the media coverage of these two stories.  Now what do you think it would be if "black" was replaced by "white"?  You don't need a poll.

There would be more people up in arms because historically white people have used voter suppression tactics and still are to subjugate minority groups. How many centuries have black people been having these black only meetings to vote for a mayor? Do you also not believe what the black reporters will tell you happened at the meeting? Why do you feel so threatened?

I get that, but what I don't get is why the goal is no longer to judge people by the content of their character, not the color of their skin.  Skin color seems to be growing in importance on the left at the same time racism is diminishing on the right.  It's a sad state of affairs as far as I see it.  Left or right I find the notion that your skin pigmentation is the most important thing about you to be abhorrent.  My view is becoming a minority opinion in the mainstream left.  I see nothing but racism in the far right and the mainstream left.  That is why it bothers me more on the left, because on the right it is people with shaved heads and Nazi tattoos, on the left it is pretty much every mainstream journalist, commentator, and college professor.  And I see zero outrage about it.  In fact when it is pointed out (like this thread) liberals rush in to justify it as in your above post.  "Well that's only because historically <blah, blah, blah> so racism in this case is appropriate or simply not as bad."

I think that judging people on the content of their character is the goal but the people in these groups are often prejudged based on their skin color so they band together to try to get enough power to change it to the goal. Also, almost certainly some members of these groups will organize and try to take things too far and it will be members of those groups that will need to stand up to stop it.

Do you think they have gone too far and that minority groups have more privilege than their white counterparts in aggregate?

Yes.  Whenever you do the same things that you are against, you have gone too far.  If you beat up cops to protest police violence, or you bomb schools in the US to protest US bombing of schools overseas, or you put up "no <insert race here> signs, to protest racism, you have gone too far.

You do not fight racism by becoming and/or acting racist.

So white people are worse off than minorities in the US?
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Re: Dont Cast Blacks In a Leading Role
« Reply #51 on: March 29, 2019, 01:58:39 PM »
Are there too many white reporters too? 

https://www.nbcboston.com/news/national-international/Only-Black-Reporters-Allowed-in-Georgia-Mayoral-Race-Event-507833921.html

Looks to me like segregation is making a comeback. And the left is ok with that.

You have polled the left?

I'm not on the left but I don't think this is ok.

Look at the media coverage of these two stories.  Now what do you think it would be if "black" was replaced by "white"?  You don't need a poll.

There would be more people up in arms because historically white people have used voter suppression tactics and still are to subjugate minority groups. How many centuries have black people been having these black only meetings to vote for a mayor? Do you also not believe what the black reporters will tell you happened at the meeting? Why do you feel so threatened?

I get that, but what I don't get is why the goal is no longer to judge people by the content of their character, not the color of their skin.  Skin color seems to be growing in importance on the left at the same time racism is diminishing on the right.  It's a sad state of affairs as far as I see it.  Left or right I find the notion that your skin pigmentation is the most important thing about you to be abhorrent.  My view is becoming a minority opinion in the mainstream left.  I see nothing but racism in the far right and the mainstream left.  That is why it bothers me more on the left, because on the right it is people with shaved heads and Nazi tattoos, on the left it is pretty much every mainstream journalist, commentator, and college professor.  And I see zero outrage about it.  In fact when it is pointed out (like this thread) liberals rush in to justify it as in your above post.  "Well that's only because historically <blah, blah, blah> so racism in this case is appropriate or simply not as bad."

I think that judging people on the content of their character is the goal but the people in these groups are often prejudged based on their skin color so they band together to try to get enough power to change it to the goal. Also, almost certainly some members of these groups will organize and try to take things too far and it will be members of those groups that will need to stand up to stop it.

Do you think they have gone too far and that minority groups have more privilege than their white counterparts in aggregate?

Yes.  Whenever you do the same things that you are against, you have gone too far.  If you beat up cops to protest police violence, or you bomb schools in the US to protest US bombing of schools overseas, or you put up "no <insert race here> signs, to protest racism, you have gone too far.

You do not fight racism by becoming and/or acting racist.

So white people are worse off than minorities in the US?

I mean it depends on which groups of people you want to lump together... In some cases yes, in some cases no. You think those rust belt white folks who worked in the auto factories and coal mines are better off than a lot of the minority group you mention? Rkbabang nailed the point. You cant excuse violence/racism/whatever bey being violent/racist/whatever.

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Re: Dont Cast Blacks In a Leading Role
« Reply #52 on: March 29, 2019, 02:16:53 PM »
Are there too many white reporters too? 

https://www.nbcboston.com/news/national-international/Only-Black-Reporters-Allowed-in-Georgia-Mayoral-Race-Event-507833921.html

Looks to me like segregation is making a comeback. And the left is ok with that.

You have polled the left?

I'm not on the left but I don't think this is ok.

Look at the media coverage of these two stories.  Now what do you think it would be if "black" was replaced by "white"?  You don't need a poll.

There would be more people up in arms because historically white people have used voter suppression tactics and still are to subjugate minority groups. How many centuries have black people been having these black only meetings to vote for a mayor? Do you also not believe what the black reporters will tell you happened at the meeting? Why do you feel so threatened?

I get that, but what I don't get is why the goal is no longer to judge people by the content of their character, not the color of their skin.  Skin color seems to be growing in importance on the left at the same time racism is diminishing on the right.  It's a sad state of affairs as far as I see it.  Left or right I find the notion that your skin pigmentation is the most important thing about you to be abhorrent.  My view is becoming a minority opinion in the mainstream left.  I see nothing but racism in the far right and the mainstream left.  That is why it bothers me more on the left, because on the right it is people with shaved heads and Nazi tattoos, on the left it is pretty much every mainstream journalist, commentator, and college professor.  And I see zero outrage about it.  In fact when it is pointed out (like this thread) liberals rush in to justify it as in your above post.  "Well that's only because historically <blah, blah, blah> so racism in this case is appropriate or simply not as bad."

I think that judging people on the content of their character is the goal but the people in these groups are often prejudged based on their skin color so they band together to try to get enough power to change it to the goal. Also, almost certainly some members of these groups will organize and try to take things too far and it will be members of those groups that will need to stand up to stop it.

Do you think they have gone too far and that minority groups have more privilege than their white counterparts in aggregate?

Yes.  Whenever you do the same things that you are against, you have gone too far.  If you beat up cops to protest police violence, or you bomb schools in the US to protest US bombing of schools overseas, or you put up "no <insert race here> signs, to protest racism, you have gone too far.

You do not fight racism by becoming and/or acting racist.

So white people are worse off than minorities in the US?

I mean it depends on which groups of people you want to lump together... In some cases yes, in some cases no. You think those rust belt white folks who worked in the auto factories and coal mines are better off than a lot of the minority group you mention? Rkbabang nailed the point. You cant excuse violence/racism/whatever bey being violent/racist/whatever.

Not excusing it. I think most people would agree it's wrong but how are you harmed?
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Re: Casting In a Leading Role
« Reply #53 on: March 29, 2019, 03:41:17 PM »
Why do you keep asking us how we are harmed? Is that your standard? ... Really?  If a non-jew spoke out against what Hitler was doing you'd say "sure it isn't good, but how are you harmed?" I'm white so I'm not harmed by the KKK or the mei-Nazi movement yet you might be surprised to know that I still oppose them.  There are a lot of things that I oppose in the world that do not cause me direct harm.  I'd rather live in a society without racists, that's all.

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Re: Casting In a Leading Role
« Reply #54 on: March 29, 2019, 05:43:42 PM »
Why do you keep asking us how we are harmed? Is that your standard? ... Really?  If a non-jew spoke out against what Hitler was doing you'd say "sure it isn't good, but how are you harmed?" I'm white so I'm not harmed by the KKK or the mei-Nazi movement yet you might be surprised to know that I still oppose them.  There are a lot of things that I oppose in the world that do not cause me direct harm.  I'd rather live in a society without racists, that's all.

You're correct...that's not what the standard should be.  Just like in an ideal capitalist system...pure self interest would ensure all of society has work, makes a living and has an increasing standard of living.  But we know that isn't true. 

We would all like to live in a world without racists, or murderers, or corruption, or nepotism...but they do exist.  Sometimes policy, or blackmarket policy, appears to balance the bugs in the system.  Jordan Peele (and I don't agree with it) is simply dictating policy on hiring.  It's not ideal...again I don't agree with it...but we can see why it exists.  Kind of like how not hiring blacks existed for tens of decades and continues to exist in many cases.

One day hopefully we will be a blend of races around the world, and black, white, jew, muslim, hindu, christian, etc will be dated nomenclature.  Again, we can all only wish!  Cheers!   
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Re: Casting In a Leading Role
« Reply #55 on: March 29, 2019, 08:19:04 PM »
Why do you keep asking us how we are harmed? Is that your standard? ... Really?  If a non-jew spoke out against what Hitler was doing you'd say "sure it isn't good, but how are you harmed?" I'm white so I'm not harmed by the KKK or the mei-Nazi movement yet you might be surprised to know that I still oppose them.  There are a lot of things that I oppose in the world that do not cause me direct harm.  I'd rather live in a society without racists, that's all.

I'm just asking because of your anger.

Your analogy is not a very good one because what Hitler was doing was harming Jews. Do you think, white people in the US are being oppressed by minorities who are trying to get equal footing and reduce the impact of implicit bias.
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Re: Casting In a Leading Role
« Reply #56 on: March 29, 2019, 10:30:08 PM »
Why do you keep asking us how we are harmed? Is that your standard? ... Really?  If a non-jew spoke out against what Hitler was doing you'd say "sure it isn't good, but how are you harmed?" I'm white so I'm not harmed by the KKK or the mei-Nazi movement yet you might be surprised to know that I still oppose them.  There are a lot of things that I oppose in the world that do not cause me direct harm.  I'd rather live in a society without racists, that's all.

I'm just asking because of your anger.

Your analogy is not a very good one because what Hitler was doing was harming Jews. Do you think, white people in the US are being oppressed by minorities who are trying to get equal footing and reduce the impact of implicit bias.

There are two types of people: those that treat others based on skin color and those that don't. I'm sorry if you can't see why racism might anger people and I'm also sorry that racism doesn't seem to bother you. I think I've said all I can say in this discussion.

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Re: Casting In a Leading Role
« Reply #57 on: March 29, 2019, 11:05:46 PM »
Why do you keep asking us how we are harmed? Is that your standard? ... Really?  If a non-jew spoke out against what Hitler was doing you'd say "sure it isn't good, but how are you harmed?" I'm white so I'm not harmed by the KKK or the mei-Nazi movement yet you might be surprised to know that I still oppose them.  There are a lot of things that I oppose in the world that do not cause me direct harm.  I'd rather live in a society without racists, that's all.

I'm just asking because of your anger.

Your analogy is not a very good one because what Hitler was doing was harming Jews. Do you think, white people in the US are being oppressed by minorities who are trying to get equal footing and reduce the impact of implicit bias.

There are two types of people: those that treat others based on skin color and those that don't. I'm sorry if you can't see why racism might anger people and I'm also sorry that racism doesn't seem to bother you. I think I've said all I can say in this discussion.

Iím just saying that a lot of the individuals in these minority groups are often treated poorly based on the color of their skin and they are trying to make the general public aware that this bias exists so that it might be corrected. Iím sorry you donít understand why they think they need to band together to make you notice. Iím sorry that them doing that makes you angry.

Something I donít understand is when people who claim to want to judge people on the content of their character and not on their identity, can still support Trump.

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Re: Casting In a Leading Role
« Reply #58 on: April 08, 2019, 09:51:02 AM »
Why do you keep asking us how we are harmed? Is that your standard? ... Really?  If a non-jew spoke out against what Hitler was doing you'd say "sure it isn't good, but how are you harmed?" I'm white so I'm not harmed by the KKK or the mei-Nazi movement yet you might be surprised to know that I still oppose them.  There are a lot of things that I oppose in the world that do not cause me direct harm.  I'd rather live in a society without racists, that's all.

I'm just asking because of your anger.

Your analogy is not a very good one because what Hitler was doing was harming Jews. Do you think, white people in the US are being oppressed by minorities who are trying to get equal footing and reduce the impact of implicit bias.

There are two types of people: those that treat others based on skin color and those that don't. I'm sorry if you can't see why racism might anger people and I'm also sorry that racism doesn't seem to bother you. I think I've said all I can say in this discussion.

Iím just saying that a lot of the individuals in these minority groups are often treated poorly based on the color of their skin and they are trying to make the general public aware that this bias exists so that it might be corrected. Iím sorry you donít understand why they think they need to band together to make you notice. Iím sorry that them doing that makes you angry.

Something I donít understand is when people who claim to want to judge people on the content of their character and not on their identity, can still support Trump.

Always willing to chat.

I hope you are not accusing me of being a Trump supporter? :o

I just listened to this podcast the other day and thought of this thread.  Kmele Foster is someone who gets it.
At various points in this podcast he talks about things relevant to this discussion.
http://www.thaddeusrussell.com/podcast/80

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Re: Casting In a Leading Role
« Reply #59 on: April 08, 2019, 10:16:12 AM »
"One day hopefully we will be a blend of races around the world, and black, white, jew, muslim, hindu, christian, etc will be dated nomenclature.  Again, we can all only wish"

Yes assimilation is the foundation on which the US and Canada were built. That is why "multiculturalism" is a great theory but does not work well. Too many cultures end up maintaining their own prejudices and internal wars instead of blending together to form a new and better culture.

JMHO
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