Ocasio Cortez Plan 'economic security for those unwilling to work'

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Just think, a guy with Twitter, no money to speak of - can actually get elected in this country

I'm not sure I understand. Are you admitting he's not as rich as he said he was?
Which is it? It can't be both. 

Yes it can be both - he didn't spend it.

I am say that Clinton had a $1B campaign fund and a HUGE ground game and organization behind her.
Trump had nothing - spent very little money and NO organization. He did have Twitter, he did know how to control the media
by being on Fox News every night or Morning Joe whenever he wanted to call in.

What the man did was genius - and he his resources were dwarfed by the Democratic Party - and even the Republicans - Jeb Bush had
a fortune to spend.

Completely teasing you by the way, in case it wasn't obvious. I was trying to joke that it sounded like you were saying Trump grew up in a log cabin or something.

[cubsfan]

I thought you were serious - apologies - peace brother!

[LC]

What we have to be careful of - is the feeling that the "elites" know what is better for "Joe six pack" than Joe does.

What's the evidence for that?

As you rightly said, we live in a free country.

"Joe six pack" has been free to lean whatever skills, invest however he wants, for the history of this country.

And yet - we have seen the "elites" earn more income, control more assets, grow richer and more powerful, and on an increasing trend.

So maybe over the last 50-60 years, "Joe six pack" didn't know better?

Great - so you are saying that because you are educated, etc - you know more than Joe Six Pack - you make the perfect elite.

I rest my case.  You know what's best for him - and his opinion doesn't count. Your vote is worth more than his.

You made a claim
I am asking what evidence you have to support it (as you provided none)
And the evidence I am presenting seems to contradict it

But by all means, feel free to assume "what I am saying"

[cubsfan]

My evidence is real simple LC.

The elites lost touch with the middle class. The traditional party of the working class, the Democrats ignored them.
Their party thought the serious issues were identity politics, climate change, LGBT rights and a bunch of stuff most of
the middle class could give a shit about. And the same can be said for the Republican candidates - their message
was totally different than Trumps - they just promised more of the same political status quo. No change. People had enough already.

But the traditional protector of the middle class, the Democrats, were unseated by a populist with a message - Trump.
He cared about their most important issue: Jobs.

That is how the "Elite" wing of the Democratic Party TOTALLY blew an election they should have won - and were predicted to win in a landslide.

The interesting part:  They seem to have learned nothing - and continue to double down on things that don't matter to the middle class.

[LC]

That is how the "Elite" wing of the Democratic Party TOTALLY blew an election they should have won - and were predicted to win in a landslide.

While you may be right, what you've provided is a narrative of the 2016 election, not evidence of "joe six pack" knowing best.

[Gregmal]

What we have to be careful of - is the feeling that the "elites" know what is better for "Joe six pack" than Joe does.

What's the evidence for that?

As you rightly said, we live in a free country.

"Joe six pack" has been free to lean whatever skills, invest however he wants, for the history of this country.

And yet - we have seen the "elites" earn more income, control more assets, grow richer and more powerful, and on an increasing trend.

So maybe over the last 50-60 years, "Joe six pack" didn't know better?

Great - so you are saying that because you are educated, etc - you know more than Joe Six Pack - you make the perfect elite.

I rest my case.  You know what's best for him - and his opinion doesn't count. Your vote is worth more than his.

You made a claim
I am asking what evidence you have to support it (as you provided none)
And the evidence I am presenting seems to contradict it

But by all means, feel free to assume "what I am saying"

Its amazing how many times you cant even argue the same line of logic consistently. I mean isn't the crux of, at least what liberals used to stand for is that we need to live and let live? I mean even I, a conservative, can't think of a scenario where it would be right for anyone to interfere with the day to day lives of another individual because they are colored different than I. Same thing goes for people who happen to be, let's just call it, "unorthodox" with their sexual preferences or whatever. And yea, the same thing applies to just regular old normal folks. Yet while people like LC will argue til they are blue in the face in favor of letting every foreigner under the sun stampede in here and rape our resources, they still openly embrace elitist stances that more or less can be described as "I know what is better for you than you do", but again, only when it comes to certain "segments" of the population. Oddly enough these segments more often than not come down to people that can be described as regular old run of the mill middle class...Quite odd...It really does at times make me think that the entire goal of the Democratic Party is just to placate minority groups, knowing that they will soon be the majority and the ticket to power. And part of doing that is to shit all over normal, middle class folks, especially if they are white.

The party goal should be, let's elevate EVERYONE, instead, it's lets bring everyone down to the same level. A real shame. Joe six pack shouldn't need to "know" anything. He should be able to chose to do whatever he wants and live with the consequences. Not live his life and face the consequences of some scoundrel politician looking to win favor of people who dont work or pay taxes.

EDIT: I think I can simplify the above. People like LC have entirely different positions on things when it comes to telling Joe six pack what to do, versus when it comes to telling Jose six pack what to do. Thats become the defining characteristic of the left.

[LC]

they still openly embrace elitist stances that more or less can be described as "I know what is better for you than you do", but again, only when it comes to certain "segments" of the population

Quite an imagination you have, Greg.

I am not embracing this stance - I am merely saying that there is some evidence that people do not, in fact, "know whats best for them".

Knowing this fact (or at least acknowledging the lack of evidence to the contrary) means we should proceed with caution.

I would also suggest the same caution before you make posts assuming my position - as you have done frequently.

[Gregmal]

they still openly embrace elitist stances that more or less can be described as "I know what is better for you than you do", but again, only when it comes to certain "segments" of the population

Quite an imagination you have, Greg.

I am not embracing this stance - I am merely saying that there is some evidence that people do not, in fact, "know whats best for them".

Knowing this fact (or at least acknowledging the lack of evidence to the contrary) means we should proceed with caution.

People should be able to do whatever they want to do(freedom). They should also be left to live with the consequences of their actions and choices(responsibility). You liberals like to give certain "types" bailouts and the option to "abort", while telling others what they should be doing with their lives...The definition of hypocrisy.

[cubsfan]

That is how the "Elite" wing of the Democratic Party TOTALLY blew an election they should have won - and were predicted to win in a landslide.

While you may be right, what you've provided is a narrative of the 2016 election, not evidence of "joe six pack" knowing best.

LC - you really make me laugh sometimes. You and your "evidence".  I'm shocked you disagree!

[LC]

Who needs facts when we have narratives