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Title: Re: Gallop Poll - 42 million from Latin America want to move to USA
Post by: MarkS on February 11, 2019, 08:20:37 AM
As the header states Gallop released a recent poll conducted in Latin America and the Caribbean designed to estimate the number of potential caravans headed this way.
https://news.gallup.com/opinion/chairman/246563/million-border.aspx
Title: Re: Gallop Poll - 42 million from Latin America want to move to USA
Post by: DTEJD1997 on February 11, 2019, 09:38:24 AM
As the header states Gallop released a recent poll conducted in Latin America and the Caribbean designed to estimate the number of potential caravans headed this way.
https://news.gallup.com/opinion/chairman/246563/million-border.aspx

I would be absolutely SHOCKED if the number were this low.
Title: Re: Gallop Poll - 42 million from Latin America want to move to USA
Post by: MarkS on February 11, 2019, 09:50:27 AM
I agree the number seems low.  But I am alarmed by the 5 million who plan on seeking asylum/immigrate within the next year.  Three of four years like that and you are talking real numbers.
Title: Re: Gallop Poll - 42 million from Latin America want to move to USA
Post by: cubsfan on February 11, 2019, 11:53:27 AM
I can tell you many of my cousins in Latin America would like to live and work here - but they will not do it illegally.

They come up quite often and are amazed by the country.

Title: Re: Gallop Poll - 42 million from Latin America want to move to USA
Post by: Gregmal on February 11, 2019, 12:11:15 PM
America at it's finest is amazing. And when you have something valuable, you protect it. Democrats, for all the racist whining and Salem witch trials going on against Russians and Saudi's, are literally committing treason by taking their pay for play type position on immigration. Its a very obvious "we let you in, you and your kind vote for us" quid pro quo arrangement.
Title: Re: Gallop Poll - 42 million from Latin America want to move to USA
Post by: MarkS on February 11, 2019, 12:15:19 PM
I can tell you many of my cousins in Latin America would like to live and work here - but they will not do it illegally.

They come up quite often and are amazed by the country.



I completely support legal immigration, whoever, wherever.  But people pouring across the border isn't good for the long term economic health of our country or even the health of our democracy.
Title: Re: Gallop Poll - 42 million from Latin America want to move to USA
Post by: cubsfan on February 11, 2019, 01:27:16 PM
I can tell you many of my cousins in Latin America would like to live and work here - but they will not do it illegally.

They come up quite often and are amazed by the country.



I completely support legal immigration, whoever, wherever.  But people pouring across the border isn't good for the long term economic health of our country or even the health of our democracy.


Oh, I couldn't agree more. Illegal immigration has got to stop. These folks need to get in line and wait their turn, just like my cousins.
Title: Re: Gallop Poll - 42 million from Latin America want to move to USA
Post by: DTEJD1997 on February 12, 2019, 12:08:51 AM
I can tell you many of my cousins in Latin America would like to live and work here - but they will not do it illegally.

They come up quite often and are amazed by the country.



I completely support legal immigration, whoever, wherever.  But people pouring across the border isn't good for the long term economic health of our country or even the health of our democracy.

What is so mis-represented is that Trump supporters are racists AGAINST immigration.  This may be true for some...but for MOST they are PRO-immigration...but want it to be done in a legal fashion.

This whole thing is just so crazy...you can't have two sets of laws for different people.  Allowing tons of illegals and open borders also devalues all current citizens AND is a big "F U" to those in Europe, Asia and other places waiting sometimes YEARS to get into the USA because they do it the legal way.

Different rules for different people is going to be the end of the Republic...


Title: Re: Gallop Poll - 42 million from Latin America want to move to USA
Post by: LC on February 12, 2019, 06:56:49 AM
Different rules for different people is going to be the end of the Republic...

Hah - that's rich, considering our President for weeks was opining on whether the rules applied to him.
Title: Re: Gallop Poll - 42 million from Latin America want to move to USA
Post by: DTEJD1997 on February 12, 2019, 07:56:45 AM
Different rules for different people is going to be the end of the Republic...

Hah - that's rich, considering our President for weeks was opining on whether the rules applied to him.

Ha, that's rich!  What aboutism! 

We can devolve into that all day!

Some people might suggest that a certain candidate for president has/had different rules for her.

Leave the politicians aside for a different thread.

What is NOT in dispute is that there are 2 sets of rules.  One for people who cross the border illegally, and another for people who follow the law.  It can be argued that people following the law are a bunch of suckers...

Title: Re: Gallop Poll - 42 million from Latin America want to move to USA
Post by: cubsfan on February 12, 2019, 08:01:37 AM

What is NOT in dispute is that there are 2 sets of rules.  One for people who cross the border illegally, and another for people who follow the law.  It can be argued that people following the law are a bunch of suckers...

No doubt - - if you follow the law, you are being a total rube.

Title: Re: Gallop Poll - 42 million from Latin America want to move to USA
Post by: LC on February 12, 2019, 08:31:55 AM
What is NOT in dispute is that there are 2 sets of rules.  One for people who cross the border illegally, and another for people who follow the law.  It can be argued that people following the law are a bunch of suckers...
Not quite true. As far as I know, legal immigrants are entitled to the full protection of the US gov't, can obtain a passport, can legally collect social security, medicare, etc., can legally vote, can walk around free of fear from the INS, etc etc etc.

Regardless, you missed my point.

My point is that it's more damaging to "the Republic" when the wealthy and powerful have a separate set of rules, rather than the poor and disenfranchised.
Title: Re: Gallop Poll - 42 million from Latin America want to move to USA
Post by: Cardboard on February 12, 2019, 12:08:31 PM
"My point is that it's more damaging to "the Republic" when the wealthy and powerful have a separate set of rules, rather than the poor and disenfranchised. "

Really LC????

Don't you think that: "Hey my neighboor did this or my cousin did that." has more impact on people?

Never heard of the story where a couple listens to radio and 1,500 people died of a earthquake in Indonesia and don't react, a plane crashed in Paris killing 200 on board and again don't react when finally is announced that Mr. Brown (living on their street) died in a car crash. Then the couple reacts "Oh My! what will happen to his wife and children"? 
Title: Re: Gallop Poll - 42 million from Latin America want to move to USA
Post by: DTEJD1997 on February 12, 2019, 12:18:09 PM
What is NOT in dispute is that there are 2 sets of rules.  One for people who cross the border illegally, and another for people who follow the law.  It can be argued that people following the law are a bunch of suckers...
Not quite true. As far as I know, legal immigrants are entitled to the full protection of the US gov't, can obtain a passport, can legally collect social security, medicare, etc., can legally vote, can walk around free of fear from the INS, etc etc etc.

Regardless, you missed my point.

My point is that it's more damaging to "the Republic" when the wealthy and powerful have a separate set of rules, rather than the poor and disenfranchised.

I think you missed MY point.  You can't have MILLIONS of illegals coming in with no repercussions...in fact a lot of them will be GIVEN citizenship!

Do Bill & Hillary & Donald & others have a "different" set of rules?  Yes, they certainly do, and that is bad & damaging. 

So it is when MILLIONS come across the border...so it is when you have "sanctuary" cities, counties & states.  When you have different branches of the government working against each other...when you have OPEN flouting of the laws.  When you have shifting demographics because so many people are coming across the border.

Instead of "what about isms", why not admit that illegal immigration is a problem and the lack of enforcement is ALSO a problem?  OR is that part of the plan?

Title: Re: Gallop Poll - 42 million from Latin America want to move to USA
Post by: cubsfan on February 12, 2019, 12:25:54 PM
Yes, once you break the law as an illegal - you break them again and again.

Don't show up for your immigration hearing? no problem

DUI? - no problem

No license? - no problem

Identity theft?  - no problem

Of course - for you and me - a couple of those would destroy our careers and send up to jail.
But when you have Jorge Ramos and Sanctuary cities available - the laws don't apply to you!
Title: Re: Gallop Poll - 42 million from Latin America want to move to USA
Post by: LC on February 12, 2019, 03:11:22 PM
"My point is that it's more damaging to "the Republic" when the wealthy and powerful have a separate set of rules, rather than the poor and disenfranchised. "

Really LC????

Don't you think that: "Hey my neighboor did this or my cousin did that." has more impact on people?

Maybe on people, but not when we're talking about the health of nations.

I mean, I really don't see how the Jones' hushed conversations that the Garcia's next door are illegal are a bigger threat to the health of the US than an increasing tone of plutocracy, government corruption, and regulatory capture.
Title: Re: Gallop Poll - 42 million from Latin America want to move to USA
Post by: LC on February 12, 2019, 03:24:39 PM
Of course - for you and me - a couple of those would destroy our careers and send up to jail.
But when you have Jorge Ramos and Sanctuary cities available - the laws don't apply to you!
Except for the fact that the illegal immigrant is relegated to (1) fearing the INS for your entire life, (2) economically quarantined to the bottom rungs of the socio-economic ladder, (3) gambling with the health and welfare of your children and their future, (4) scarcely able to participate in basic public functions, (5) at constant threat that their family, job, and all their possessions can be taken from them at a moment's notice; and I'm sure tons of other really crappy situations I can't imagine.

I mean, if it was such a great deal, why aren't all the millenials making 30K, 40K, 50K, just throw it all away and go party it up with the illegal immigrant community on the dole?
Title: Re: Gallop Poll - 42 million from Latin America want to move to USA
Post by: cubsfan on February 12, 2019, 03:31:18 PM
Of course - for you and me - a couple of those would destroy our careers and send up to jail.
But when you have Jorge Ramos and Sanctuary cities available - the laws don't apply to you!
Except for the fact that the illegal immigrant is relegated to (1) fearing the INS for your entire life, (2) economically quarantined to the bottom rungs of the socio-economic ladder, (3) gambling with the health and welfare of your children and their future, (4) scarcely able to participate in basic public functions, (5) at constant threat that their family, job, and all their possessions can be taken from them at a moment's notice; and I'm sure tons of other really crappy situations I can't imagine.

I mean, if it was such a great deal, why aren't all the millenials making 30K, 40K, 50K, just throw it all away and go party it up with the illegal immigrant community on the dole?

So you are perfectly ok with illegals that live here breaking all these laws - you are the perfect liberal LC!

Keep making excuses for them.  I'll wait for your excuses on Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar, and Rashida Tlaib and the new anti-Semitism of the Democratic
left --- I suppose the Jews deserved it too!!
Title: Re: Gallop Poll - 42 million from Latin America want to move to USA
Post by: LC on February 12, 2019, 03:38:36 PM
So you are perfectly ok with illegals that live here breaking all these laws - you are the perfect liberal LC!

Keep making excuses for them.  I'll wait for your excuses on Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar, and Rashida Tlaib and the new anti-Semitism of the Democratic
left --- I suppose the Jews deserved it too!!

Where did I say any of that?

You're too eager to jump to MAGA conclusions.
Title: Re: Gallop Poll - 42 million from Latin America want to move to USA
Post by: Gregmal on February 12, 2019, 03:42:08 PM
Of course - for you and me - a couple of those would destroy our careers and send up to jail.
But when you have Jorge Ramos and Sanctuary cities available - the laws don't apply to you!
Except for the fact that the illegal immigrant is relegated to (1) fearing the INS for your entire life, (2) economically quarantined to the bottom rungs of the socio-economic ladder, (3) gambling with the health and welfare of your children and their future, (4) scarcely able to participate in basic public functions, (5) at constant threat that their family, job, and all their possessions can be taken from them at a moment's notice; and I'm sure tons of other really crappy situations I can't imagine.

I mean, if it was such a great deal, why aren't all the millenials making 30K, 40K, 50K, just throw it all away and go party it up with the illegal immigrant community on the dole?

So you are perfectly ok with illegals that live here breaking all these laws - you are the perfect liberal LC!

Keep making excuses for them.  I'll wait for your excuses on Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar, and Rashida Tlaib and the new anti-Semitism of the Democratic
left --- I suppose the Jews deserved it too!!

I was just reading something on this and thought the same thing. Imagine a republican making a hostile remark about "the blacks"? Or Accusing someone of "talking with Mexicans" the way lefties demonize "Russians"? Oh good lord they'd lose it. But at the same time you have blatant hatred of Jews with openly anti-Semitic attacks. You have black lawmakers making denigrating remarks about gay people...and... THERE IS LITTLE IF ANY REAL PROBLEM WITH IT! A republican making those remarks would be forced to resign. Ilan whatever her name is just gets to half ass an "apology". The Bronx guy, refuses to even do that!

I used to think that the left just picked which minorities where important to their cause and went with it. Now though it seems that they are just full of shit and do the same stuff they criticize Republicans for, but just let it slide when its one of their own. Its all a sham.
Title: Re: Gallop Poll - 42 million from Latin America want to move to USA
Post by: cubsfan on February 12, 2019, 03:50:55 PM
So you are perfectly ok with illegals that live here breaking all these laws - you are the perfect liberal LC!

Keep making excuses for them.  I'll wait for your excuses on Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar, and Rashida Tlaib and the new anti-Semitism of the Democratic
left --- I suppose the Jews deserved it too!!

Where did I say any of that?

You're too eager to jump to MAGA conclusions.

Where would you like to draw the line before you stop making excuses for illegal immigrants breaking the law?

no license?
DUI?
selling drugs?
identity theft?
rape?
murder?

Which ones are ok in your book, before we have a "problem with illegals"??
Title: Re: Gallop Poll - 42 million from Latin America want to move to USA
Post by: LC on February 12, 2019, 04:44:24 PM
All those things are wrong regardless of who does it. Nobody has said otherwise.

Where do you see me, or anyone else, making excuses for illegal immigrants to commit murder and rape?

Sometimes I think the MAGA cap has been crammed on so tight, it is covering the eyes and ears, in addition to the head.
Title: Re: Gallop Poll - 42 million from Latin America want to move to USA
Post by: cubsfan on February 12, 2019, 04:59:49 PM
Great - we're making progress LC - I'm gonna send you my MAGA hat - you're right, mine is too small - it'll fit your head perfectly.
Title: Re: Gallop Poll - 42 million from Latin America want to move to USA
Post by: LC on February 12, 2019, 05:36:02 PM
Oof I'm hurt   ;D  ::)

Probably a good idea to take off that hat, let the hot air escape  ;D

But now let's turn back to the point:
Where do you see me, or anyone else, making excuses for illegal immigrants to commit murder and rape?