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MarkS

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Re: illegal immigrants and stolen social security numbers
« on: September 11, 2018, 03:10:46 PM »
Illegal immigrants have used about 39 million stolen security numbers - many of the numbers are stolen from kids because of the often long delay before discovery. So much for the victimless crime theory.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/illegal-immigrants-cited-in-theft-of-39-million-social-security-numbers


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Re: illegal immigrants and stolen social security numbers
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2018, 03:32:31 PM »
Of course - it's no problem for the unhinged left.

If you or I did that - it would be a felony and our careers would be ruined - and we would go to jail.

But if you are an illegal alien - hey - it's no problem ! Because people like Jerry Brown and Rob Emmanuel are there to "serve you" for your illegal vote.

An enormous double standard that will get ever worse.

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Re: illegal immigrants and stolen social security numbers
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2018, 03:41:23 PM »
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The Immigration Reform Law Institute said that from 2012 to 2016 there were 39 million instances where names and Social Security numbers on W-2 tax forms did not match the corresponding Social Security records.

Symptom of the problem. 39 million illegal taxpayers.
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MarkS

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Re: illegal immigrants and stolen social security numbers
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2018, 04:11:25 PM »
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The Immigration Reform Law Institute said that from 2012 to 2016 there were 39 million instances where names and Social Security numbers on W-2 tax forms did not match the corresponding Social Security records.

Symptom of the problem. 39 million illegal taxpayers.

Along with fraudulent claims for tax credits.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2016/04/13/irs-admits-it-encourages-illegals-to-steal-social-security-numbers-for-taxes/#48bba27b4c04

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Re: illegal immigrants and stolen social security numbers
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2018, 04:22:20 PM »
4.2B of "fraudulent" tax claims (not really fraudulent, just undocumented)

However a link from your same article says this:

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According to the Social Security Administration, undocumented immigrants doled out an estimated $12 billion in payroll taxes but will never get the benefits

So on the balance, Uncle Same is in the black?
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MarkS

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Re: illegal immigrants and stolen social security numbers
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2018, 04:47:19 PM »
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I would think that the c!aims for unearned tax credits are probably fraudulent.   You're confusing ITIN filers with Social Security number filers when you talk about not receiving social security payments.  ITIN filers are normally LLCs, partnerships etc. that are not eligible for social security. I'm far more okay with illegals using ITINs instead of using stolen social security numbers.  As succinctly stated by Cubsfan, we would be rotting in jail for using stolen numbers. But if you're a Mexican national or a Honduran National it's not only okay its promoted by the social justice warrior class.

Besides even if they pay taxes - illegals imo are costing the American taxpayers more than they receive back in taxes. See Topic: Do illegal immigrants cost the American Taxpayer? 
« Last Edit: September 11, 2018, 05:03:02 PM by MarkS »

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Re: illegal immigrants and stolen social security numbers
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2018, 05:15:15 PM »
About 1/3 of California's budget goes to social services these days - the illegal immigrants are an enormous burden on the state.
But it's done to keep CA democratic - and the left has taken this success to enact complete irrational policy initiatives:
sanctuary cities (to include felons!!), state voting and driver's license id's based on their word, lower state tuitions for illegal immigrants vs citizens.
It's completely crazy.

And it's spilling over to Chicago - a democratically controlled city (for 70 yrs!) that has the worst murder problem in the country.

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Re: illegal immigrants and stolen social security numbers
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2018, 05:35:09 PM »
Illegal aliens don't vote  and likely drain way more revenue than pay in taxes.  Why is it a benefit for Democratic Party to encourage the growth of illegals?

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Re: illegal immigrants and stolen social security numbers
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2018, 05:40:17 PM »
Illegal aliens don't vote  and likely drain way more revenue than pay in taxes.  Why is it a benefit for Democratic Party to encourage the growth of illegals?

Illegals can easily vote with fake id's - in return the Democratic Party in CA and IL promise lots of expanded social services for them.
This has been a clear strategy started in California - and has permanently flipped CA to Democratic. It recently spread to NV and NM
and the hope it will continue to Texas and the rest of the Southwest.
« Last Edit: September 11, 2018, 05:52:13 PM by cubsfan »

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Re: illegal immigrants and stolen social security numbers
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2018, 06:22:13 PM »
Illegal aliens don't vote  and likely drain way more revenue than pay in taxes.  Why is it a benefit for Democratic Party to encourage the growth of illegals?

Illegals can easily vote with fake id's - in return the Democratic Party in CA and IL promise lots of expanded social services for them.
This has been a clear strategy started in California - and has permanently flipped CA to Democratic. It recently spread to NV and NM
and the hope it will continue to Texas and the rest of the Southwest.

This claim that "illegals are voting in droves" is commonly stated as fact, and equally commonly refuted as fiction.

Can you share any evidence of illegals voting under fake IDs in large numbers?  I thought Trump himself disbanded his committee looking into this because the problem essentially doesn't exist on any material scale.  But you are utterly convinced, so what evidence made you so convinced?

It's always struck me as a strange claim from a game theory point of view.  I would think the average illegal immigrant would want to stay as low profile as possible, and in particular avoid voluntary actions that require citizenship.  Sure, as a whole, the group may benefit by pushing Democrats into power... but people look out for themselves first, and it seems almost implausible that huge numbers would be taking on any additional risk to make their single vote count.