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cameronfen

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Result of Mueller Investigation
« on: March 25, 2019, 08:26:18 AM »
As a liberal I'm a bit disappointed in the result.  That being said in the US, there has become a stark divide where much of the nation is more concerned with their party winning than the US winning.  I think to automatically attack facts that disagree with your preconceived beliefs is bad for the country and a habit investors should avoid.
IMO, it's highly unlikely that Mueller wasnt thorough/biased even if for example he didnt interview Trump or that Trump did something really bad but the definition of collusion is too narrow.  I think it's also more tribal thinking if you want to persecute Trump for obstructing justice for a crime that the investigation found no evidence of (although obstruction is still on the table for other crimes we have or ultimately find evidence of).  IMO as a liberal, what is good for the country is to accept that it's likely he did not collude and not try to discredit this result.  There are still a lot of things to dislike about the guy including likely some illegal things, but again these offenses are less impeachable than treason (and liberals should recognize that and adjust their actions).  I think the report should be public (and trump supporters probably agree with me) but I think to not make a fuss if its lightly redacted (as long as congress sees the whole thing).  I also think calling for more investigations sound like sour grapes, so I think house investigations should be pared back and focused on more obvious violations Trump has committed (if there are any). Just my thoughts mainly directed at the liberals here, although not critiquing anyone, but just looking at the normal response people often have in this situation. 


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Re: Result of Mueller Investigation
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2019, 07:42:45 AM »
As a liberal I'm a bit disappointed in the result.  That being said in the US, there has become a stark divide where much of the nation is more concerned with their party winning than the US winning.  I think to automatically attack facts that disagree with your preconceived beliefs is bad for the country and a habit investors should avoid.
IMO, it's highly unlikely that Mueller wasnt thorough/biased even if for example he didnt interview Trump or that Trump did something really bad but the definition of collusion is too narrow.  I think it's also more tribal thinking if you want to persecute Trump for obstructing justice for a crime that the investigation found no evidence of (although obstruction is still on the table for other crimes we have or ultimately find evidence of).  IMO as a liberal, what is good for the country is to accept that it's likely he did not collude and not try to discredit this result.  There are still a lot of things to dislike about the guy including likely some illegal things, but again these offenses are less impeachable than treason (and liberals should recognize that and adjust their actions).  I think the report should be public (and trump supporters probably agree with me) but I think to not make a fuss if its lightly redacted (as long as congress sees the whole thing).  I also think calling for more investigations sound like sour grapes, so I think house investigations should be pared back and focused on more obvious violations Trump has committed (if there are any). Just my thoughts mainly directed at the liberals here, although not critiquing anyone, but just looking at the normal response people often have in this situation.

A mature and unemotional view, well expressed. 

Personally, I've no issue with Democrats or Liberals - it's the fringe Left that is destroying a once reasonable Democratic Party.
Democrats should be horrified - and take their party back from the Left.

When a party looks more interested in hating Jews because the leadership will not condemn or silence their radical fringe, you know there is trouble.
Likewise, Republicans need to continue to condemn Neo-Nazis and white supremacists that try to align against the Democratic Party and not be silent.

Incidents like Charlottesville, Kavanaugh hearings, Covington - need to be roundly condemn by BOTH parties even if it alienates the fringe elements.

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Re: Result of Mueller Investigation
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2019, 08:21:21 AM »
While the report doesn’t exonerate the President, the conclusion is that he either colluded or him and his team are privileged and unethical morons who lie a lot.

I can’t see anyway around that when you examine the behaviour of him and his team. My working theory is that they had all of these meetings with Russians because they either didn’t see anything wrong with doing so or thought they wouldn’t win anyway so there was no risk. Then the FBI came calling so they lied because they were worried they might have done something wrong. Then the President started attacking Mueller which suggests to me that there is something to hide (probably unrelated to Russia) and he wanted to establish cover for that.

I recommend everyone watch the Showtime doc “The Family Business: Trump and Taxes”. It’s very credible and outlines he is essentially a con man that came from money. At first he took money from his Dad, illegally, and then from banks. He should be voted out of office for defrauding America.
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Re: Result of Mueller Investigation
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2019, 04:44:05 AM »
Question.

There have been suggestions that Trump may have been involved in tax evasion, money laundering, etc prior to his Presidency and to be realistic, there are a lot of "successful" people who have crossed the line over the years.

If Muller found evidence of prior criminal activity during his investigation and turned it over to the FBI, would there be any requirement for him to have included that in his report as it would be peripheral to the mandate of the investigation?

After all, this was a pretty intensive investigation and there may be information not made public that would be held until Trump leaves office as there seems to be a reluctance to bring charges against a sitting president?
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Re: Result of Mueller Investigation
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2019, 06:00:57 AM »
From what I have read a lot of material has been turned over to other agencies or state prosecutors so those cases will move forward.

Any federal cases will have to wait until he is out of office because the DOJ interperates the law as they cannot charge a sitting President.

The Mueller report was only on conspiracy with Russia and obstruction. While it did not exonerate, the evidence apparently did not clear the hurdle to charge (which is probably significantly higher for POTUS vs anyone else).

All that being said, I am not a lawyer.
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Re: Result of Mueller Investigation
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2019, 05:55:33 PM »
Hey all:

One of the MANY results of the Mueller Investigation is that President Trump will assuredly be re-elected.

The Democrats have shot themselves in the foot over this.  It was not thought through properly by those advancing it.

The Democrat supporters are confused/demoralized and the Right/Republicans are enraged and energized.

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Re: Result of Mueller Investigation
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2019, 06:55:43 PM »
Just like OJ Simpson was suddenly beloved across the nation after his acquittal  :P

The point being, we have no idea how the public at-large will react.

What would truly be a shame is if the report is not released. The voting public has a right to read the report.
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Re: Result of Mueller Investigation
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2019, 07:40:34 PM »
OJ was charged. Trump has never been indicted, charged, whatever, by anyone other than the fools on the left who hate him...

The public doesn't deserve anything. It's theatrics. Im all for giving people the report if that is the end of this whole circus. But not if these tools are now all of a sudden going to become legal experts who know better than Mueller himself and just continue grasping at straws and using any bit of the report, likely taken out of context, to continue carrying on their witch hunt.

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Re: Result of Mueller Investigation
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2019, 07:47:54 PM »

Any federal cases will have to wait until he is out of office because the DOJ interperates the law as they cannot charge a sitting President.

What's weird is Barr said no obstruction without considering this precedent. Maybe I'm over-reading but I'm not sure it's "can't" anymore and this might be used to indictments a future POTUS. I'm not sure it's common for AGs to discuss hypotheticals.

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Re: Result of Mueller Investigation
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2019, 08:27:03 PM »
The public doesn't deserve anything.

Describes this entire administration.
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