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cobafdek

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Re: Russia Investigation.
« Reply #50 on: July 15, 2018, 01:23:08 PM »
I just think you are tripping over yourself to be sceptical in the face of pretty damning evidence.

What you and I wish for, or hope to happen (perhaps something like Trump ousted/impeached/convicted for Russia dealings, or the opposite), drives what you seek to read, find credible, conclude, and post.

So what are your wishes/hopes?
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Re: Russia Investigation.
« Reply #51 on: July 15, 2018, 04:10:59 PM »
I just think you are tripping over yourself to be sceptical in the face of pretty damning evidence.

What you and I wish for, or hope to happen (perhaps something like Trump ousted/impeached/convicted for Russia dealings, or the opposite), drives what you seek to read, find credible, conclude, and post.

So what are your wishes/hopes?

I'm not American.  I don't have any hopes/wishes for the investigation as far as Trump in particular is concerned.  I don't like Trump, for a number of reasons, and I"ll be happy to see Americans move on in 2 or 6 years.  But I don't fantasize about seeing him impeached or convicted. It seems far-fetched to say he's trying to undermine America or is acting as a Russian agent.  I think narcissism + ignorance is a much simpler explanation for most of his "unorthodox diplomacy".  Even if he had some sketchy business dealings in the past, which I think is reasonably likely given that he employed people like Felix Sater, I doubt the ghosts of his past are guiding his actions today.

I hope the investigation can continue to overturn stones, and that important findings (like in the recent indictment) are not lost in the noise.  Every American should be concerned about the integrity of their electoral system, IMO.  And ever increasing Russian aggression is concerning.  I don't think it should go unchecked.

My biggest fear from the investigation is that either Trump ends it prematurely,  or that some marginally seedy things are uncovered and the democrats crank the volume from 11 to 100 calling for impeachment.  Either outcome would just further divide people. 

Ideally it'd be great to see this somehow morph into a bipartisan conversation about how the electoral system can be made more transparent.  The crap with the DNC,  some of this peripheral Trump campaign nonsense, rampant manipulation via social media. These things should concern/disgust everybody.   Rather than trying to figure out who's worse it'd be great to see people get fed up together and try to force some change, set some boundaries etc. 

Back to reality...


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Re: Russia Investigation.
« Reply #52 on: July 15, 2018, 06:25:39 PM »
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Ideally it'd be great to see this somehow morph into a bipartisan conversation about how the electoral system can be made more transparent. 

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Re: Russia Investigation.
« Reply #54 on: July 15, 2018, 07:45:39 PM »
I just think you are tripping over yourself to be sceptical in the face of pretty damning evidence.

What you and I wish for, or hope to happen (perhaps something like Trump ousted/impeached/convicted for Russia dealings, or the opposite), drives what you seek to read, find credible, conclude, and post.

So what are your wishes/hopes?
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Even if he had some sketchy business dealings in the past, which I think is reasonably likely given that he employed people like Felix Sater, I doubt the ghosts of his past are guiding his actions today.
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Why? If he's done something illegal, like use his company to help Russians launder money into the US, and the Russians held all of the evidence showing that he did this, don't you think that would be "guiding his actions today"? I certainly do, and it would explain his attitude toward Russia pretty damn well.

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Re: Russia Investigation.
« Reply #55 on: July 15, 2018, 09:00:46 PM »
Why? If he's done something illegal, like use his company to help Russians launder money into the US, and the Russians held all of the evidence showing that he did this, don't you think that would be "guiding his actions today"? I certainly do, and it would explain his attitude toward Russia pretty damn well.

Certainly a possibility,  I just doubt that's what's happening.  To me he is not behaving like someone who is being extorted.

I think it's reasonably likely some type of money laundering has gone on. That's basically what I meant by sketchy business dealings. However I don't imagine he was knowingly abetting Russian criminals.  I was thinking more of a "pragmatic morality" where he didn't ask too many questions about where some money came from. 

But what do I know?  I thought OJ was guilty.


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Re: Russia Investigation.
« Reply #56 on: July 16, 2018, 09:46:35 AM »
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Re: Russia Investigation.
« Reply #57 on: July 16, 2018, 10:20:41 AM »
https://twitter.com/politico/status/1018882581335625729


Reporter: Do you hold Russia accountable for anything?

Trump: We’re all to blame


Imagine the trump fanboys if Obama said this. Sad.


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Re: Russia Investigation.
« Reply #59 on: July 16, 2018, 12:10:38 PM »
So funny. They just can't stand it when he ignores things that are important to them; things they have turned into a big deal. Jim Acosta treatment