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Gregmal

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Re: Russia Investigation.
« Reply #330 on: August 21, 2018, 05:04:18 PM »
Michael Cohen took this step today so that his family can move on to the next chapter.  This is Michael fulfilling his promise made on July 2nd to put his family and country first and tell the truth about Donald Trump.

Today he stood up and testified under oath that Donald Trump directed him to commit a crime by making payments to two women for the principal purpose of influencing an election.  If those payments were a crime for Michael Cohen, then why wouldn't they be a crime for Donald Trump?

https://twitter.com/LannyDavis/status/1032026098320789504

"Individual-1", who at that point had become the President of the United States.
https://twitter.com/edokeefe/status/1032024891472728066

Doug this must seem like a major victory for you. But it won't end up meaning anything in the grand scheme of things.


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Re: Russia Investigation.
« Reply #331 on: August 21, 2018, 05:28:12 PM »
The "Witch Hunt" just snagged a couple more witches.
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Re: Russia Investigation.
« Reply #332 on: August 21, 2018, 05:34:50 PM »
This isn't a win for anyone. It's merely doing what is necessary to end this charade.

I suspect Cohen will be a minor cooperating witness against Trump due to this plea. Either way, this is just the start of months (or a year) of chaos. Trump should have resigned last year imo (if I had to think through his best options). Now Trump has a federal charge waiting for him and there's no turning back.

For now, on to Manafort in DC, where we'll learn about his work with Russian intel officers and Ukrainian leaders in exile in Russia.

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Re: Russia Investigation.
« Reply #333 on: August 21, 2018, 05:44:33 PM »
You guys are too funny.

Everyone knew Manafort was a dishonest guy. His charges had nothing to do with the campaign, and let's face it, more than half the charges didn't even stick.

And anyone thinking anything will come from Cohen is sadly mistaken as well. At best it's he said, she said type of stuff. Which won't lead anywhere. At worst it's not even admissible under attorney client, even if true. So whether Trump actually did it or not, all he's got to say is he didn't and it goes nowhere.

You guys have got to stop swallowing the bait so hard. Just bc MSM blasts out, "Trump's in trouble!!!", and "this is HUGE", doesn't actually make it so. They've been blasting this stuff out for the past few years, just like before, it leads nowhere.

Good to see Mueller's feather in the cap is going 8/18 on a slam dunk case that had nothing to do with 2016 election meddling.

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Re: Russia Investigation.
« Reply #334 on: August 21, 2018, 06:24:40 PM »
You guys are too funny.

Everyone knew Manafort was a dishonest guy. His charges had nothing to do with the campaign, and let's face it, more than half the charges didn't even stick.

And anyone thinking anything will come from Cohen is sadly mistaken as well. At best it's he said, she said type of stuff. Which won't lead anywhere. At worst it's not even admissible under attorney client, even if true. So whether Trump actually did it or not, all he's got to say is he didn't and it goes nowhere.

You guys have got to stop swallowing the bait so hard. Just bc MSM blasts out, "Trump's in trouble!!!", and "this is HUGE", doesn't actually make it so. They've been blasting this stuff out for the past few years, just like before, it leads nowhere.

Good to see Mueller's feather in the cap is going 8/18 on a slam dunk case that had nothing to do with 2016 election meddling.

Itís like a crime organization - if someone starts to sing, there is no telling how the Symphonie ends. I think a lot of people who work with Trump will have to worry about ending up in jail, when the light shines, where it is inconvenient, including the Godfather himself.
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Re: Russia Investigation.
« Reply #335 on: August 21, 2018, 06:37:49 PM »
You guys are too funny.

Everyone knew Manafort was a dishonest guy. His charges had nothing to do with the campaign, and let's face it, more than half the charges didn't even stick.

And anyone thinking anything will come from Cohen is sadly mistaken as well. At best it's he said, she said type of stuff. Which won't lead anywhere. At worst it's not even admissible under attorney client, even if true. So whether Trump actually did it or not, all he's got to say is he didn't and it goes nowhere.

You guys have got to stop swallowing the bait so hard. Just bc MSM blasts out, "Trump's in trouble!!!", and "this is HUGE", doesn't actually make it so. They've been blasting this stuff out for the past few years, just like before, it leads nowhere.

Good to see Mueller's feather in the cap is going 8/18 on a slam dunk case that had nothing to do with 2016 election meddling.

Itís like a crime organization - if someone starts to sing, there is no telling how the Symphonie ends. I think a lot of people who work with Trump will have to worry about ending up in jail, when the light shines, where it is inconvenient, including the Godfather himself.

Except anyone with a brain, like Manafort, knows if they play by "the rules" they likely get pardoned. Not exactly justice, but from where I'm standing, something I can live with given the fact Hillary and Co's many crimes were hidden, downplayed, and even outright ignored. People are just butthurt by Trump, and both Democrats and Republicans of the traditional establishment feel threatened by him, so this is what you get. A witch hunt. There are real crimes. But let's not pretend these aren't the same crimes the crooks in Washington have been guilty of since the beginning of time. It's just now they are using them to try to remove a guy who threatens their existence. The problem is that he's better at playing the game than they are, despite the fact they are too blind to see it.

FWIW, his murderers and rapists comments seem pretty fitting today. How terrible that poor girl lost her life because of our terrible immigration system and selfish politicians who do nothing about it hoping to trade open borders for votes...

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Re: Russia Investigation.
« Reply #336 on: August 21, 2018, 07:02:36 PM »
If there are mass pardons the country will shut down indefinitely and there will be massive protests/marches. That is an insane hypothetical and I highly doubt Trump would actually pardon folks or himself. Respectfully, you sound like a fool suggesting that it would be no big deal to have a king or a tyrant. Mass pardons is up there with the worst-possible scenarios.

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Re: Russia Investigation.
« Reply #337 on: August 21, 2018, 07:03:36 PM »
And anyone thinking anything will come from Cohen is sadly mistaken as well. At best it's he said, she said type of stuff. Which won't lead anywhere. At worst it's not even admissible under attorney client, even if true. So whether Trump actually did it or not, all he's got to say is he didn't and it goes nowhere.
Attorney client privilege is not absolute. There is crime-fraud exemption.

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he crime-fraud exception can render the privilege moot when communications between an attorney and client are themselves used to further a crime, tort, or fraud. In Clark v. United States, the US Supreme Court stated that "A client who consults an attorney for advice that will serve him in the commission of a fraud will have no help from the law. He must let the truth be told."[8] The crime-fraud exception also does require that the crime or fraud discussed between client and attorney be carried out to be triggered.[9] US Courts have not yet conclusively ruled how little knowledge an attorney can have of the underlying crime or fraud before the privilege detaches and the attorney's communications or requisite testimony become admissible.[10]

Does this sound like something that may be applicable to the Trump-Cohen relationship? Because he seemed like a member of the crew. Also apparently he made tapes. So there may be cases of he said, she said, and here's the tape.

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Re: Russia Investigation.
« Reply #338 on: August 21, 2018, 07:15:19 PM »
If there are mass pardons the country will shut down indefinitely and there will be massive protests/marches. That is an insane hypothetical and I highly doubt Trump would actually pardon folks or himself. Respectfully, you sound like a fool suggesting that it would be no big deal to have a king or a tyrant. Mass pardons is up there with the worst-possible scenarios.

He is the President and needs to be elected by the people after 4 years and after 8 he's gone for good so I think you're reaching quite a bit with the "king/tyrant" rhetoric. I mean every president has done questionable things and every president of late seems to reach further and further to expand the powers of the president. It's something Obama did more than Bush, who did more than Clinton, etc... Just how things have progressed. It's not exclusive to Trump.

I don't have to agree or disagree with the fact he will likely pardon some of these people. It's simply what is bound to happen if you follow this logically. There won't be riots if he pardons Manafort, Cohen, and a couple of others. There will be tonnes of crying from Democrats and MSM, and these days people protest everything so who cares about that...

However, what's not being reported today?

"Cohen, reportedly, is not cooperating with prosecutors by dishing damaging information on Trump in exchange for a lighter sentence. He supposedly agreed to a plea deal because it will allow his family to hold onto assets Cohen might have been forced to forfeit if he lost a trial."

Stop buying into MSM headlines hook, line, and sinker folks.

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Re: Russia Investigation.
« Reply #339 on: August 21, 2018, 07:17:50 PM »
And anyone thinking anything will come from Cohen is sadly mistaken as well. At best it's he said, she said type of stuff. Which won't lead anywhere. At worst it's not even admissible under attorney client, even if true. So whether Trump actually did it or not, all he's got to say is he didn't and it goes nowhere.
Attorney client privilege is not absolute. There is crime-fraud exemption.

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he crime-fraud exception can render the privilege moot when communications between an attorney and client are themselves used to further a crime, tort, or fraud. In Clark v. United States, the US Supreme Court stated that "A client who consults an attorney for advice that will serve him in the commission of a fraud will have no help from the law. He must let the truth be told."[8] The crime-fraud exception also does require that the crime or fraud discussed between client and attorney be carried out to be triggered.[9] US Courts have not yet conclusively ruled how little knowledge an attorney can have of the underlying crime or fraud before the privilege detaches and the attorney's communications or requisite testimony become admissible.[10]

Does this sound like something that may be applicable to the Trump-Cohen relationship? Because he seemed like a member of the crew. Also apparently he made tapes. So there may be cases of he said, she said, and here's the tape.

Yes, it does. But Cohen's reputation is shot. And I just don't see how his word is enough to move anything. Could more come out? Sure. Always possible. But this resembles an empty water pistol more than a smoking gun. Despite how those that want to see it as one try to make it appear as such.