Author Topic: Should Canada open up its borders?  (Read 2595 times)

ERICOPOLY

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Re: Should Canada open up its borders?
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2019, 08:46:35 PM »
Regarding the "welfare state and open borders can't have both" argument.  What keeps the illegal aliens who are already in the US from stepping over the Canadian border if the US tries to hunt them down en masse for deportation?


 Lately, Luna said, they’ve seen more and more people with visitor visas from the Middle East trying to cross into Canada, perhaps hoping to have a better chance at getting asylum there than in the U.S.

https://splinternews.com/at-the-canadian-border-theres-no-wall-but-plenty-of-pe-1793862827
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Re: Should Canada open up its borders?
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2019, 09:25:37 PM »
Regarding the "welfare state and open borders can't have both" argument.  What keeps the illegal aliens who are already in the US from stepping over the Canadian border if the US tries to hunt them down en masse for deportation?


 Lately, Luna said, they’ve seen more and more people with visitor visas from the Middle East trying to cross into Canada, perhaps hoping to have a better chance at getting asylum there than in the U.S.

https://splinternews.com/at-the-canadian-border-theres-no-wall-but-plenty-of-pe-1793862827
Well it's true that some people do cross. Apply for asylum. Some people get it, others don't.

But there are some serious obstacles.

1. Canada is cold. A lot of people don't like that.

2. Most illegals in the US don't have a support system in Canada. Let's face it, most illegals in the US are Latinos. There are barely any Latinos in Canada. Seriously! There is no decent Mexican food here anywhere. So in the US as an illegal you may have some friends, relatives, etc. Here you have no-one. It's hard to live life like that.

3. Canada is generally more expensive than the US.

4. The welfare state is actually not that good.

5. As an illegal it would be nearly impossible to find work here. In the US they've worked out "systems" through which you can work and make some money. That infrastructure is simply not available in Canada. No money, no food. Furthermore, as I've mentioned before, if you would hire illegals you would probably be in violation of a shitload of laws. Not so much from an immigration perspective, but from a protection of the person perspective.

6. A good way to personify these obstacles are the DACA people. A LOT of them would be able to immigrate to Canada legally and build a good life over here. Yet they don't come.

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Re: Should Canada open up its borders?
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2019, 09:55:26 PM »
Kudos to you and I wish my home country embraced such ideals. And I still tell my wife that we will be living back in Montreal...hopefully sooner rather than when I am too much older...truly a special place in the world and my heart.
LC, thanks for a kind post even though I may have been a little harsh in mine. Here's a somewhat funny related anecdote.

As I recall, you live in Colorado. On a recent trip to Arizona me and a friend were fantasizing about moving to the US. It didn't have anything to do with the ideology or politics of Canada vs. US. It was all about the weather. My buddy lives in Edmonton and he would prefer his nuts wouldn't be frozen all the time. In our fantasy we decided that Colorado would be an ideal place to be.

Then our type A personalities decided to find out how that could happen. Turns out that despite the fact that we have multiple graduate degrees, are upstanding citizens (not even parking tickets),  make well in excess of six figures, and we have a sizable bankroll saved up, there's basically no way that we could legally immigrate to the United States. That should tell anyone everything they need to know about the immigration policy of the US and their "open border".
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Re: Should Canada open up its borders?
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2019, 10:08:55 PM »
The US border officers have asked Canadians wishing to enter the US if they have ever smoked pot.  They were banned for life when they admitted that they had.

This would reduce the number of honest Canadians that enter the US, on a per capita basis.

That was at the Washington State border where pot is legal.

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Re: Should Canada open up its borders?
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2019, 04:11:23 AM »
ERICOPOLY it’s even worse than that.
Pot is now legal in Canada as it is in many States. US border guards are checking to see if Canadian citizens are employed by companies involved in the cannabis industry and then they ban them for life also.
Ah yes, the great land of the free.

Correction: I see that common sense prevailed and this has since been changed. However, if you worked in the industry and ever sampled the product, you could still be banned.
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Re: Should Canada open up its borders?
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2019, 05:11:10 AM »
The US border officers have asked Canadians wishing to enter the US if they have ever smoked pot.  They were banned for life when they admitted that they had.

This would reduce the number of honest Canadians that enter the US, on a per capita basis.

That was at the Washington State border where pot is legal.
How is that different than Canada banning USA citizens who have had DUI's in their past?

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Re: Should Canada open up its borders?
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2019, 06:06:43 AM »
The US border officers have asked Canadians wishing to enter the US if they have ever smoked pot.  They were banned for life when they admitted that they had.

This would reduce the number of honest Canadians that enter the US, on a per capita basis.

That was at the Washington State border where pot is legal.
How is that different than Canada banning USA citizens who have had DUI's in their past?

These guys(like ERIC) are supposedly staunch Republicans, card carrying NRA members, and protectors or freedom... who frequently seem to present only the raging liberal perspective.... Or at least thats what I've been told.

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Re: Should Canada open up its borders?
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2019, 06:41:39 AM »
Is it legal to DUI in a growing number of states? Is it legal to DUI for medical purposes?
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Re: Should Canada open up its borders?
« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2019, 06:54:44 AM »
Is it legal to DUI in a growing number of states? Is it legal to DUI for medical purposes?
The state laws re: MJ are in contradiction with FEDERAL laws.  If a case were to be pressed, FEDERAL law trumps state law.

Will be interesting to see what happens with this in the future.

I am surprised the Feds have not done anything on this.  Of course, they have not done anything with sanctuary cities or states either.  Two sets of laws in USA.

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Re: Should Canada open up its borders?
« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2019, 07:30:08 AM »
"These guys(like ERIC) are supposedly staunch Republicans, card carrying NRA members, and protectors or freedom... who frequently seem to present only the raging liberal perspective.... Or at least thats what I've been told."

Seems to me that Ericopoly is only on the Republican side when it affects his pocketbook aka taxes.

Everybody should have everything but, don't ask me to pay for it. LOL!

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