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Parsad

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So Stupid!
« on: November 14, 2017, 03:46:25 PM »
Now neither will pass:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/news/gop-bill-aimed-overhauling-taxes-trump-push-085209780--finance.html

They are so intent on shooting themselves in the foot with their stupidity, instead of actually making real changes and pushing the country forward! 

Get the tax bill passed, and then try and pass a real actual top to bottom overhaul of Obamacare...why try and finagle it through and jeopardize the tax cuts?!  Cheers!
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Re: So Stupid!
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2017, 05:03:13 PM »
While I agree, the Obamacare mandate is the stupidest thing I have ever seen. Why should I be forced to overpay for healthcare or otherwise be taxed more? It's a complete load of bullshit. The spin is that more people would be without healthcare. Except the people without it would be choosing not to have it, and saving money.

Tim Eriksen

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Re: So Stupid!
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2017, 05:27:18 PM »
But Obamacare has been a resounding success.  Premiums for a Silver plan for my family will only be $2,375 a month next year.  Just a 48% increase from last year.   

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Re: So Stupid!
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2017, 06:03:14 PM »
But Obamacare has been a resounding success.  Premiums for a Silver plan for my family will only be $2,375 a month next year.  Just a 48% increase from last year.   

Tim:

How many members are in your family?

In my area of the country...there are some families that bring home $2,500 a month after taxes...

When I had a job, almost EVERYBODY who was single, elected to go WITHOUT Obamacare and pay the penalty.  It just did not make sense to get insurance...

For a lot of people, especially young workers....Obamacare is simply a tax or wealth transfer.  It is not insurance.

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« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2017, 06:55:53 PM »
For a lot of people, especially young workers....Obamacare is simply a tax or wealth transfer.  It is not insurance.
It's insurance in that provides you health coverage if you get sick/injured. But yeah, it's priced to ensure coverage for everyone...and a lot of people don't pay. I personally hate it because it's just not designed well.

My employer pays for my/my wife's health insurance for about $200/month. I had coworkers who were consultants paying $750/month for the lowest tier Obamacare coverage just for themselves. Ridiculous.
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Re: So Stupid!
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2017, 07:23:58 PM »
But Obamacare has been a resounding success.  Premiums for a Silver plan for my family will only be $2,375 a month next year.  Just a 48% increase from last year.   

Tim:

How many members are in your family?

In my area of the country...there are some families that bring home $2,500 a month after taxes...

When I had a job, almost EVERYBODY who was single, elected to go WITHOUT Obamacare and pay the penalty.  It just did not make sense to get insurance...

For a lot of people, especially young workers....Obamacare is simply a tax or wealth transfer.  It is not insurance.

Six in my family.  The bronze plan with the $6,500 deductible and 80/20 split until the $13,000 max out of pocket is much more affordable (haha) at $1600 per month.  For those on modest incomes the subsidy increases to match all, or nearly all, of the increase so their costs don't change much.

The system was so poorly designed.  Putting so many high cost people into a relatively small pool was bound to lead to this result.         

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Re: So Stupid!
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2017, 12:34:49 PM »
But Obamacare has been a resounding success.  Premiums for a Silver plan for my family will only be $2,375 a month next year.  Just a 48% increase from last year.   

Tim, I agree that Obamacare needs to be changed...but tying the tax vote to it will just result in neither passing.  Pass the tax vote and also revamp Obamacare into something that actually works...but two separate bills and get them passed.  Cheers!
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Re: So Stupid!
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2017, 12:41:42 PM »
I agree with Parsad. Will be interesting to see where the "no" Republican votes come from. The tax code and health care are extremely complex subjects as the Republicans are finding out.

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Re: So Stupid!
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2017, 12:45:31 PM »
But Obamacare has been a resounding success.  Premiums for a Silver plan for my family will only be $2,375 a month next year.  Just a 48% increase from last year.   

Tim, I agree that Obamacare needs to be changed...but tying the tax vote to it will just result in neither passing.  Pass the tax vote and also revamp Obamacare into something that actually works...but two separate bills and get them passed.  Cheers!

I'd agree with that!  Don't throw out the tax cuts, or need to compromise on the size, because you can't get support for the Obamacare mandate repeal.   That won't do anyone any good.

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Re: So Stupid!
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2017, 12:47:58 PM »
I agree with Parsad. Will be interesting to see where the "no" Republican votes come from. The tax code and health care are extremely complex subjects as the Republicans are finding out.

I'd love to see Trump spend a good portion of his time campaigning against the moderate Republicans running for reelection next year.  The GOP elite hate him already anyway. Get these idiots out of there.