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Re: The Dem's Next Presidential Candidate
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2018, 01:08:33 PM »
That wasn't my point or the point of the article.  The KKK was against Blacks, Jews and Catholics.  The article Imho was pointing out that it's risky for a democrate to associate herself with an anti-catholic movement when the democrats have clear ties historically to the KKK.  I don't believe the article was well written  - but that's my interpretation.

The change of the democratic/republican parties (basically, flipping into each other) around the 1900s is well documented.

Anyways, I only point out the poorly written and historical inaccuracy of the article as a metaphor for the insignificance of the article's content. You chose to harp on this point.

To the article's main point, I still have the same view: She called for a dude to resign from a subset of cases, which to my knowledge he has not. I think her logic is faulty, that is pretty obvious. But during this type of hearing it should be expected to interrogate appointees for potential judicial biases. So it's not out of the realm of ordinary. And at the end of the day...nothing happened. So relatively inconsequential.

Unless of course you so naive to think the Democratic Party is now adopting some anti-Catholic attitude? I doubt you are saying that, because if so, talk about jumping to conclusions...

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It's the same crap Trump does, just on the other side. Yet all the libs want to do is bitch and moan about Trump...
Right? If only we could just shut up about the President of the entire country, and instead focus our attention on Senate comments made during the hearing for judicial appointment to the District Court of Nebraska!

I wish I could equate Trump's actions to comments during a Senate hearing. Believe me, I wish his policies and actions were that inconsequential!
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Re: The Dem's Next Presidential Candidate
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2018, 02:01:07 PM »
I don't understand why anyone would be surprised that there is some friction between the Democratic Party and the Catholic Church. They have some big differences of opinion in a number of areas.

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Re: The Dem's Next Presidential Candidate
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2018, 02:09:58 PM »
I don't understand why anyone would be surprised that there is some friction between the Democratic Party and the Catholic Church. They have some big differences of opinion in a number of areas.

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I would also add that the Democratic Party has become much more secular in nature and more anti-religious in general.
See https://www.crisismagazine.com/2007/have-the-democrats-lost-their-faith
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Re: The Dem's Next Presidential Candidate
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2018, 02:30:38 PM »
Well, IDK, when the party facade claims to advocate against discrimination, demonizing people because of their religious affiliation or beliefs kind of makes you a fraudulent pos... If you are Russian, you are the enemy, if you are Catholic, you are an extremist, if you rally in support of white people, its racist, if you support Trump, you are deplorable... but we want to end discrimination, oppression, and make sure everyone is treated equally. Interesting how that works....

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Re: The Dem's Next Presidential Candidate
« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2018, 02:57:01 PM »
Doesn't it seem like members of a "privileged group" want to be treated as individuals while members of "less privileged groups" also want to be treated as individuals but feel like the current system doesn't give them the chance to be treated that way?

So certain members of a "less privileged group" band together because there is strength in numbers to push for group rights until they are the same of a "privileged group". Ironically, the more success they have in getting more rights, the more outspoken they become because the lives of the members of the "less privileged group" are actually improving and they are gaining more privilege.

Meanwhile, the members of a "privileged group" have their backs up. They have always been treated as individuals. Always judged on their merits. Now, because they are a member of a group, they are being identified as having certain negative characteristics that don't describe them at all. They believe in individuals all being equal and everyone getting a fair shake. To them this now isn't fair.

Both sides are acting emotionally and logically based on their incentives. What seems to be lacking is empathy on both sides of the debate. Can each side honestly put themselves in the shoes of their counterpart? Can they be honest how they would act?

I never post stuff like this and I don't know if it makes any sense or if it's pretty common discourse. I haven't searched out the topic but have been thinking about it a lot lately.

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« Reply #15 on: December 29, 2018, 04:54:12 PM »
Hi safetyinnumbers

I agree that the lack of  empathy and the lack of compassion are problems.  But identity politics is a political methodology of gaining and maintaining political power. Identity politics isn't meant to be a solution.  The lack of empathy and compassion in identity politics  is a design choice and not a design flaw to be fixed.

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Re: The Dem's Next Presidential Candidate
« Reply #16 on: December 29, 2018, 05:55:08 PM »
Hi safetyinnumbers

I agree that the lack of  empathy and the lack of compassion are problems.  But identity politics is a political methodology of gaining and maintaining political power. Identity politics isn't meant to be a solution.  The lack of empathy and compassion in identity politics  is a design choice and not a design flaw to be fixed.

But isn't "gaining and maintaining political power" simply achieving more privilege and continuing to press on with getting more? I agree that it has to be checked because chaos can ensure when one group gets too much power. Do you think any "identity" has any disadvantages based on their "identity"?
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Re: The Dem's Next Presidential Candidate
« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2018, 08:58:49 AM »
Poiltical power isn't 'transitioned', it's taken. By whatever means possible.
But 'peaceful exchange' only prevails when the economic pie is growing. When it's static (or declining); for you to 'win', someone else has to 'lose', and you can't afford survivors. Strength prevails, you're 'president for life', and 'life' tends to be short.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig_qpNfXHIU

Identity politics is just another tool, to sell a 'political brand', and the most ruthless wins.
The traditional defense is decapitation, via the targeting of operators for smearing and elimination; and the systematic 'take out' of advisors and strategists to collapse the 'brand'. In most places it's permanent removal, and by people who are very good at it (ie: Russia, China, and the removal of 'dissidents')

Wars occurr because a 'political solution' could not be reached; the objective is to eliminate your opponent, with other people doing the dying for you. The traditional 'other people' defense is the elimination and replacement of the opposing 'personalities' as soon as practical.

The US and Canada doesn't do public elimination, it's behind the door smearing instead.
So expect the nasty, the ruthless, and people 'fundraising' by selling tickets to 'cage matches'. Politics is a 'blood sport' and at about the same level as dog fighting.   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_fighting

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Re: The Dem's Next Presidential Candidate
« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2018, 11:36:12 AM »
I don't understand why anyone would be surprised that there is some friction between the Democratic Party and the Catholic Church. They have some big differences of opinion in a number of areas.

+1
I would also add that the Democratic Party has become much more secular in nature and more anti-religious in general.
See https://www.crisismagazine.com/2007/have-the-democrats-lost-their-faith

I think itís a good thing. Politics and Religion donít mix well.
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Re: The Dem's Next Presidential Candidate
« Reply #19 on: December 30, 2018, 01:25:08 PM »
Agreed! Hey maybe something we all agree on
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