Author Topic: The Fifth, the Fifth, I Plead The Fifth!  (Read 10706 times)

investor-man

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Re: The Fifth, the Fifth, I Plead The Fifth!
« Reply #40 on: December 09, 2018, 07:41:52 PM »
- he can't tell the truth -
THEY CAUGHT THEM ON CAMERA
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Re: The Fifth, the Fifth, I Plead The Fifth!
« Reply #41 on: December 09, 2018, 08:11:00 PM »
Schiff is indeed a huge tool. I don't know how anyone, Republican or Lib, can respect a career politician. Outside of looking for petty ways to incorporate impeachment proceedings, his claim to fame is working with the most hideos looking women on Earth, fellow California leech and career politicians Diane Feinstein, to, get this, FIGHT THE FAA TO REDUCE HELICOPTER NOISE....while at the same time calling a Benghazi investigation a waste of time....

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Re: The Fifth, the Fifth, I Plead The Fifth!
« Reply #42 on: December 10, 2018, 07:03:55 AM »
- he can't tell the truth -
THEY CAUGHT THEM ON CAMERA
Facts donít matter to some people
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Re: The Fifth, the Fifth, I Plead The Fifth!
« Reply #43 on: December 10, 2018, 07:14:23 AM »
- he can't tell the truth -
THEY CAUGHT THEM ON CAMERA
Facts donít matter to some people

Especially to you jokers!

Schwab711

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Re: The Fifth, the Fifth, I Plead The Fifth!
« Reply #44 on: December 10, 2018, 10:57:07 AM »
The conspiracy has been defined, just not rigorously, yet. The terms of the 'exchange' will surely expand as we learn more.

Give: Sanctions relief

Take: help Trump become POTUS; Trump Moscow


Both elements of the 'original exchange proposal' have been defined in court documents written by Mueller. Clearly, the Trump Organization and the Russian government were involved in the quid pro quo. Trump was the CEO of the Trump Organization during this period. That's the 'collusion'.
« Last Edit: December 10, 2018, 10:59:47 AM by Schwab711 »

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Re: The Fifth, the Fifth, I Plead The Fifth!
« Reply #45 on: December 10, 2018, 11:32:45 AM »
I am trying hard to follow this logic of "collusion" to throw the Presidential election to Donald Trump.

If I follow this - at some time, Donald Trump was in discussions to put up a building in Moscow. So, the Trump organization
had to work with the Russian government in order to put up a building.

Therefore Trump "colluded" with Russia - and the quid pro quo was Putin's role working with
Trump to throw the election his way, because Putin allowed Trump to build a building in Moscow.

I'm not sure I get it - but is this it?

Do I have your logic correctly?

Schwab711

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Re: The Fifth, the Fifth, I Plead The Fifth!
« Reply #46 on: December 10, 2018, 12:01:33 PM »
I am trying hard to follow this logic of "collusion" to throw the Presidential election to Donald Trump.

If I follow this - at some time, Donald Trump was in discussions to put up a building in Moscow. So, the Trump organization
had to work with the Russian government in order to put up a building.

Therefore Trump "colluded" with Russia - and the quid pro quo was Putin's role working with
Trump to throw the election his way, because Putin allowed Trump to build a building in Moscow.

I'm not sure I get it - but is this it?

Do I have your logic correctly?

Define what you mean when you say 'collusion' on this site. That's probably our only chance of figuring out whether we are comparing apples and oranges or not (if you actually care).

The reason I think you should define what you mean by collusion is that, among other reasons, conspiracy doesn't require being successful. That's why I keep putting (') around collusion. I suspect this will be a worthless conversation unless I can get you to define the term and care about that definition.
« Last Edit: December 10, 2018, 12:05:25 PM by Schwab711 »

cubsfan

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Re: The Fifth, the Fifth, I Plead The Fifth!
« Reply #47 on: December 10, 2018, 12:11:20 PM »
Actually, I do care. Explain it to me if you don't mind.

Explain to me how Trump worked (colluded) with the Russian government to throw the US Presidential election.
Explain to me the quid pro quo.

I'm not that bright, so explain to me like I am 10 years old. I really do care.

Schwab711

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Re: The Fifth, the Fifth, I Plead The Fifth!
« Reply #48 on: December 10, 2018, 12:26:37 PM »
Actually, I do care. Explain it to me if you don't mind.

Explain to me how Trump worked (colluded) with the Russian government to throw the US Presidential election.
Explain to me the quid pro quo.

I'm not that bright, so explain to me like I am 10 years old. I really do care.

You are deflecting because you know that the way you use the word collusion actually matches what I just laid out. Just define what you think collusion means. I already wrote what I think the court documents point to re: conspiracy by Trump Campaign/Trump Organization, in a simple way.

cubsfan

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Re: The Fifth, the Fifth, I Plead The Fifth!
« Reply #49 on: December 10, 2018, 12:39:43 PM »
Never mind Schwab - obviously you think I am trying to trick you - and I am not.

All you needed to do was fill in the blanks. It was a pretty simple request.

Feel free to offer your opinion on this "collusion" narrative:

Trump was going to build a building. He needed the Russian government to approve that.
There was going to be some sort of payments or licenses involved.
Somehow, Putin offered to "throw" the election Trump's way.
Russian hackers were successful in cracking the DNC servers - gave the files to Wikileaks.
The truth made Hillary and the Democrats look bad.
This caused Hillary to lose the election.
That was Putin's payment to Trump.

Do I have it correct?
Is this the "collusion"?