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Parsad

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Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
« Reply #20 on: July 04, 2019, 02:05:14 PM »
These are same assholes who stir up the riots in Seattle...they are the fringe, just like the Aryan Nation groups that Trump called "good people on both sides".  There are bad people on both sides and they should be banned, arrested and put in jail like the criminals they are.  Cheers!

This goes back again to what happened in Charlotteville and how instead of condemning behavior, he simply decided not to take sides.  Bad behavior transcends party lines, and so should the President's support and condemnation.  Until you have a President that does that, there will be no peace.  Cheers! 

Take some friendly advice:  don't be a victim of the Charlottesville media hoax.

The conventional reporting on President Trump's response to Charlottesville is that he praised the neo-Nazis as "fine people" when he said "There are good people on both sides."

The most important statement the President made in that news conference, but deliberately left out of nearly all subsequent reporting, was

“I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.”

Now that you've been de-programmed, you can, in the future, avoid appearing brainwashed by that segment of the media that deliberately mis-report the President's Charlottesville statement.  That's proof that that part of the MSM is Fake News and Enemy of the People, who willfully perpetuate propaganda that needlessly stokes racial and ethnic tensions.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/03/21/trump_didnt_call_neo-nazis_fine_people_heres_proof_139815.html

Before you tell people they've been brainwashed, by pulling up articles from other sources, why don't you actually view the transcript of what was said and  at what times.  Trump did not denounce the fringe groups until days later!  Cheers!

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/
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Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
« Reply #21 on: July 04, 2019, 02:06:07 PM »
Trump did more bashing of the “left” in that Q&A than he did anything else. He all but blamed the “alt left” for that event.

Here’s the full transcript if anyone would like to read it for the entire context:

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/

Sorry LC, I see you put up the same link as me.  Cheers!
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« Reply #22 on: July 04, 2019, 02:08:25 PM »
Trump did more bashing of the “left” in that Q&A than he did anything else. He all but blamed the “alt left” for that event.

Here’s the full transcript if anyone would like to read it for the entire context:

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/

And that has ZERO to do with his point about the MSM and folks like you blatantly misrepresenting what was said to continue pushing your narratives.

No it doesn't!  It's completely relevant to the point that was made...not everything in the MSN is fake news as you guys allude to.  In fact, if you take a look at what is being said, I would say 75% is on point.  Is alot of it rhetorical and aimless...yes...but Trump's "fake news, fake news" chants are the actual "fake news!"  Cheers!
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Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
« Reply #23 on: July 04, 2019, 02:12:56 PM »
"Thankfully, Canada can have you. "

No thanks we already have too many! Although, Venezuela or Cuba are welcoming more.

"His double talk is palpable, and unfortunately as zorrofan correctly states, we need a president who will condemn violence in all forms, and from both sides equally. Hopefully you can at least agree to that."

Yeah, it would have been nice to have Obama do that when innocent cops were being shot and BLM was in the Street chanting for their death.

Interestingly enough, I don't see anywhere near the level of violence that I have seen in Obama's later years. Is Trump doing something right?

I think so, keep the people employed instead of relying on government assistance.

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Cardboard, Cubsfan, Gregmal, et al, you do realize that 250 years ago, your ancestors were the illegals jumping the border or doing everything to stay, but unfortunately, the indigenous people didn't have a militia in place to send you back.  You guys have a very skewed perspective about how bad things were under Obama and what the violence was like...like looking at a warped portal back into time.  Cheers!
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Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
« Reply #24 on: July 04, 2019, 02:13:48 PM »
He all but blamed the “alt left” for that event.

That is because they are fully to blame for the event. The "alt left" supports terror and violence.

As does the alt right...and for far longer than the alt left!  The Klan had a very early origin!  Cheers!
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« Reply #25 on: July 04, 2019, 02:22:22 PM »
“Freedom of expression. Not freedom from consequence. Not a difficult concept LC. Stay in Canada please.”

This is literally the poorly-veiled threat of the alt-right. It’s essentially announcing to the world you’ve turned off the critical capabilities of your brain, maybe second only to “freedom ain’t free!”.

Anyone should be able to peacefully protest without violent consequences.

And when two protest groups attack each other, both are to blame! Not “fully” one and not the other!

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Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
« Reply #26 on: July 04, 2019, 02:28:15 PM »
“Freedom of expression. Not freedom from consequence. Not a difficult concept LC. Stay in Canada please.”

This is literally the poorly-veiled threat of the alt-right. It’s essentially announcing to the world you’ve turned off the critical capabilities of your brain, maybe second only to “freedom ain’t free!”.

Anyone should be able to peacefully protest without violent consequences.

And when two protest groups attack each other, both are to blame! Not “fully” one and not the other!


One group has an event planned. Another group purposely schedules an event the same day, at the same time, in the same place, for the purpose of confronting group 1.... Yea. No fault...

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« Reply #27 on: July 04, 2019, 02:41:44 PM »
Being able to freely counter-protest, with the expectation of peace and first amendment protection, is a damn good thing for a healthy democracy and should be encouraged.

The violence is not the fault of one side nor the other. It is the fault of extremists on both sides, who should be condemned and brought to justice. They are the ones hurting democracy.

But to say the left or the right shouldn’t counter protest when XYZ...These types of caveats are an erosion of our first amendment.

The only caveat we should be enforcing is the peaceful freedom of expression, I think folks on both sides of the border can agree to that!
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Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
« Reply #28 on: July 04, 2019, 02:45:39 PM »
These are same assholes who stir up the riots in Seattle...they are the fringe, just like the Aryan Nation groups that Trump called "good people on both sides".  There are bad people on both sides and they should be banned, arrested and put in jail like the criminals they are.  Cheers!

This goes back again to what happened in Charlotteville and how instead of condemning behavior, he simply decided not to take sides.  Bad behavior transcends party lines, and so should the President's support and condemnation.  Until you have a President that does that, there will be no peace.  Cheers! 

Take some friendly advice:  don't be a victim of the Charlottesville media hoax.

The conventional reporting on President Trump's response to Charlottesville is that he praised the neo-Nazis as "fine people" when he said "There are good people on both sides."

The most important statement the President made in that news conference, but deliberately left out of nearly all subsequent reporting, was

“I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.”

Now that you've been de-programmed, you can, in the future, avoid appearing brainwashed by that segment of the media that deliberately mis-report the President's Charlottesville statement.  That's proof that that part of the MSM is Fake News and Enemy of the People, who willfully perpetuate propaganda that needlessly stokes racial and ethnic tensions.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/03/21/trump_didnt_call_neo-nazis_fine_people_heres_proof_139815.html

Before you tell people they've been brainwashed, by pulling up articles from other sources, why don't you actually view the transcript of what was said and  at what times.  Trump did not denounce the fringe groups until days later!  Cheers!

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/

Your reply doesn't even address my post.

What do you think about Trump's clear statement? (from the Politifact article itself):

"And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally".

And why are you offended about being brainwashed?  If someone is brainwashed, he doesn't know he's brainwashed.  It's involuntary, not a conscious moral failure.  In this case, it's a knowledge deficit that can be easily remedied by acknowledging that you were mislead about the facts, through no fault of your own.  Why is it so hard to admit you and the MSM are wrong about the President's NOT defending the neo-Nazis at Charlottesville?




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Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
« Reply #29 on: July 04, 2019, 03:09:59 PM »
Being able to freely counter-protest, with the expectation of peace and first amendment protection, is a damn good thing for a healthy democracy and should be encouraged.

The violence is not the fault of one side nor the other. It is the fault of extremists on both sides, who should be condemned and brought to justice. They are the ones hurting democracy.

But to say the left or the right shouldn’t counter protest when XYZ...These types of caveats are an erosion of our first amendment.

The only caveat we should be enforcing is the peaceful freedom of expression, I think folks on both sides of the border can agree to that!

Yea great... if I show up to a BLM event voraciously touting how great the police are I shouldn't be shocked to receive abuse. In a vacuum, I shouldn't get abused. But in the real world... use your head.

A scrawny trust fund teenager ends up in jail, should he be shocked to get verbally and physically assaulted? A scantily clad female ends up in a biker bar at 11pm; should she be shocked that sexual harassment occurs? Stop living in Lala land. What the world "should" be like in a vacuum isn't what the world is like in reality.

This situation is even worse because not only do these people put themselves in this position by choice, but they also deliberately go out of their way to be loud, obnoxious, aggressive, and provocative towards the people who they disagree with.

I swear your reality gets more f*cked up by the day.

Counter protesting is akin to confrontation. You're going out of your way to be adversarial when you do shit like that. And you're asking for trouble. So when you do so, make sure you realize where things can go.