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Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
« Reply #30 on: July 04, 2019, 03:47:36 PM »
Parsad - first of all - Happy Fifty!  Here's to the next 50 for you.

In the meantime, I know you love Obama - and at one time, I did as well.

Unfortunately, while I was very PROUD to vote for our first black President, a historic event and milestone for the USA - President Obama
will go down as a failed presidency. He had every opportunity to unite the county - and midway into his first term - he took the
community organizer approach and DIVIDED the country along race/sex/gender lines. President Obama PERFECTED identity politics
as opposed to being just "American".  The Great Divider has also destroyed the Democratic Party as we once knew it.
It's now unrecognizable from the President Clinton days - and you call this "progress".

President Obama COULD have been a GREAT President, but will go down as a failure and the worst thing that ever hit the Democrats.

Our current President is making his legacy look like a joke.

I know it's hard to accept.

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Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
« Reply #31 on: July 04, 2019, 04:04:52 PM »
Greg, all that’s missing is the sound of knuckles cracking while you menacingly deliver that post with a handful of goons behind you.

It’s like when the old white guy, sits at home and bemoans blacks being abused by police, “well they shouldn’t have been living in a racist state!”

Or women being assaulted or raped, “well she shouldn’t have been wearing such a short skirt!”

Now if you want to talk about reality, let’s take another case with a long history. People have been peacefully protesting abortions for years, by lining up and harassing women as they enter abortion clinics.

Now I think these people are the human equivalent of pond scum, but I believe they have the right to peacefully protest, and shouldn’t be physically attacked for doing so.

But to say that such a fear should be expected or tolerated, as your post implies, that is shameful!

Frankly it makes me a little sad when I read your post because it seems you take a defeatist attitude to take when discussing first-amendment rights and human rights.

As such, it does not surprise me there is a lack of sympathy for the people subject to abuse at our borders.
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Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
« Reply #32 on: July 04, 2019, 04:24:05 PM »
Greg, all that’s missing is the sound of knuckles cracking while you menacingly deliver that post with a handful of goons behind you.

It’s like when the old white guy, sits at home and bemoans blacks being abused by police, “well they shouldn’t have been living in a racist state!”

Or women being assaulted or raped, “well she shouldn’t have been wearing such a short skirt!”

Now if you want to talk about reality, let’s take another case with a long history. People have been peacefully protesting abortions for years, by lining up and harassing women as they enter abortion clinics.

Now I think these people are the human equivalent of pond scum, but I believe they have the right to peacefully protest, and shouldn’t be physically attacked for doing so.

But to say that such a fear should be expected or tolerated, as your post implies, that is shameful!

Frankly it makes me a little sad when I read your post because it seems you take a defeatist attitude to take when discussing first-amendment rights and human rights.

As such, it does not surprise me there is a lack of sympathy for the people subject to abuse at our borders.

LC you must have had a very privileged and sheltered upbringing.

In the real world, you have to be cognizant of reality. Its not really any of the examples you cite, but moreso... don't break the law if you want to limit your chances of encountering a bad situation with a cop. If you are a female, dont walk through a bad area in a short skirt at 1 am. Sure, you should be able to do all these things, but you're living in an alternative universe if you dont think you are increasing your odds of having something unfortunate happen by being so naive. Sometimes people have to help themselves.

I dont recall anti abortion people throwing cement milkshakes at people...

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Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
« Reply #33 on: July 04, 2019, 04:48:51 PM »
I don’t have to justify my point by explaining how rich or poor I was or wasn't growing up.

I mean since you asked, I’ll say I was probably wealthier than you (although only in bone structure, charm and charisma, natural intelligence, popularity, attractiveness to the opposite sex, athletic ability, general sheen and health of my flowing head of hair, perfect nose and jawline, bluest eyes and straightest smile, etc. etc. etc. :P)

But really, it’s just as irrelevant as the skirt length on a rape victim, the skin color of a hate crime victim, or the sexual history of a woman at an abortion clinic.

Now to say these things happen is one thing. Of course, the world is not perfect. But to fully blame the victim? Or to say the alt left was fully the cause of that Charlottesville tragedy? That is both factually wrong and shows the bias of whomever would say such a thing. Even Trump didn’t go that far!
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Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
« Reply #34 on: July 04, 2019, 05:03:22 PM »
I don’t have to justify my point by explaining how rich or poor I was or wasn't growing up.

It’s just as irrelevant as the skirt length on a rape victim, the skin color of a hate crime victim, or the sexual history of a woman at an abortion clinic.

Now to say these things happen is one thing. Of course, the world is not perfect. But to fully blame the victim? Or to say the alt left was fully the cause of that Charlottesville tragedy? That is both factually wrong and shows the bias of whomever would say such a thing. Even Trump didn’t go that far!


I remember back in high school there was a 17 year old kid who took his parents new Audi to a bad neighborhood to get some pot. He ended up getting assaulted and the car was stolen. He was the victim of theft, assault, and probably even a hate crime. He was also universally regarded as a complete dumbass for willfully putting himself in that position. Get with reality. Life decisions are similar to investment decisions. One must assess probability and determine risk to reward. Things don't always happen the way they should. Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should. Welcome to life LC...maybe one day you'll leave the privileged bubble where everyone is a victim.
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Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
« Reply #35 on: July 04, 2019, 05:10:36 PM »
Greg, I edited my post to shine some light on my life of luxury and privilege, I hope you enjoy it.

I wonder if people like MLK made such calculations when protesting the treatment of blacks. Or when our founding fathers stood on two legs and turned their back on the king.

If you really believe the people who stood in front of a bunch of Nazis and screamed NO were wrong and had it coming, then there’s really nothing more to talk about. Enjoy your Independence Day!
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Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
« Reply #36 on: July 04, 2019, 05:20:35 PM »
These are same assholes who stir up the riots in Seattle...they are the fringe, just like the Aryan Nation groups that Trump called "good people on both sides".  There are bad people on both sides and they should be banned, arrested and put in jail like the criminals they are.  Cheers!

This goes back again to what happened in Charlotteville and how instead of condemning behavior, he simply decided not to take sides.  Bad behavior transcends party lines, and so should the President's support and condemnation.  Until you have a President that does that, there will be no peace.  Cheers! 

Take some friendly advice:  don't be a victim of the Charlottesville media hoax.

The conventional reporting on President Trump's response to Charlottesville is that he praised the neo-Nazis as "fine people" when he said "There are good people on both sides."

The most important statement the President made in that news conference, but deliberately left out of nearly all subsequent reporting, was

“I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.”

Now that you've been de-programmed, you can, in the future, avoid appearing brainwashed by that segment of the media that deliberately mis-report the President's Charlottesville statement.  That's proof that that part of the MSM is Fake News and Enemy of the People, who willfully perpetuate propaganda that needlessly stokes racial and ethnic tensions.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/03/21/trump_didnt_call_neo-nazis_fine_people_heres_proof_139815.html

Before you tell people they've been brainwashed, by pulling up articles from other sources, why don't you actually view the transcript of what was said and  at what times.  Trump did not denounce the fringe groups until days later!  Cheers!

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/

Your reply doesn't even address my post.

What do you think about Trump's clear statement? (from the Politifact article itself):

"And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally".

And why are you offended about being brainwashed?  If someone is brainwashed, he doesn't know he's brainwashed.  It's involuntary, not a conscious moral failure.  In this case, it's a knowledge deficit that can be easily remedied by acknowledging that you were mislead about the facts, through no fault of your own.  Why is it so hard to admit you and the MSM are wrong about the President's NOT defending the neo-Nazis at Charlottesville?

He said that after he got into all of that crap for saying there were fine people on both sides.  He didn't say anything about the driver of the vehicle or the skinheads until 48 hours later when he was questioned on his response.  If the President isn't smart enough and his advisors aren't smart enough to condemn Nazis wannabees immediately after one of them drives through a crowd of protesters, do you really think he should be President? 

Again, why do you assume that the mainstream is the one that is brainwashed.  Because over 100 recognized and respected global scientists say that climate change is real and the mainstream media themselves are brainwashed by these scientists?  Or that the obvious discrepancy in income and wealth between the top 1% and the bottom 50% is an overstatement?  What would Occam's razor suggest to you about who exactly is brainwashed and who isn't?  Cheers!
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Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
« Reply #37 on: July 04, 2019, 05:26:09 PM »
Parsad - first of all - Happy Fifty!  Here's to the next 50 for you.

In the meantime, I know you love Obama - and at one time, I did as well.

Unfortunately, while I was very PROUD to vote for our first black President, a historic event and milestone for the USA - President Obama
will go down as a failed presidency. He had every opportunity to unite the county - and midway into his first term - he took the
community organizer approach and DIVIDED the country along race/sex/gender lines. President Obama PERFECTED identity politics
as opposed to being just "American".  The Great Divider has also destroyed the Democratic Party as we once knew it.
It's now unrecognizable from the President Clinton days - and you call this "progress".

President Obama COULD have been a GREAT President, but will go down as a failure and the worst thing that ever hit the Democrats.

Our current President is making his legacy look like a joke.

I know it's hard to accept.

Wait...wait!  Yeah Obama could have done a hell of a lot more to unite the country, but I don't see Trump stumping as the guy who is going to do that.  And both you and I know that the identity politics started with Cheney and Dubya...the same screws twisting things then are the same ones indirectly working/worked with Trump.  And if you really want to talk about how far this goes back, most of those guys had their start under Nixon and then worked for Reagan as well. 

So let's not lynch (poor choice of words) the first black President for not doing more, when we've had 7 terms of Republican policy attached to the last 45 years and many of the same players during those 45 years!  Cheers!
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Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
« Reply #38 on: July 04, 2019, 05:56:27 PM »
These are same assholes who stir up the riots in Seattle...they are the fringe, just like the Aryan Nation groups that Trump called "good people on both sides".  There are bad people on both sides and they should be banned, arrested and put in jail like the criminals they are.  Cheers!

This goes back again to what happened in Charlotteville and how instead of condemning behavior, he simply decided not to take sides.  Bad behavior transcends party lines, and so should the President's support and condemnation.  Until you have a President that does that, there will be no peace.  Cheers! 

Take some friendly advice:  don't be a victim of the Charlottesville media hoax.

The conventional reporting on President Trump's response to Charlottesville is that he praised the neo-Nazis as "fine people" when he said "There are good people on both sides."

The most important statement the President made in that news conference, but deliberately left out of nearly all subsequent reporting, was

“I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.”

Now that you've been de-programmed, you can, in the future, avoid appearing brainwashed by that segment of the media that deliberately mis-report the President's Charlottesville statement.  That's proof that that part of the MSM is Fake News and Enemy of the People, who willfully perpetuate propaganda that needlessly stokes racial and ethnic tensions.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/03/21/trump_didnt_call_neo-nazis_fine_people_heres_proof_139815.html

Before you tell people they've been brainwashed, by pulling up articles from other sources, why don't you actually view the transcript of what was said and  at what times.  Trump did not denounce the fringe groups until days later!  Cheers!

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/

Your reply doesn't even address my post.

What do you think about Trump's clear statement? (from the Politifact article itself):

"And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally".

And why are you offended about being brainwashed?  If someone is brainwashed, he doesn't know he's brainwashed.  It's involuntary, not a conscious moral failure.  In this case, it's a knowledge deficit that can be easily remedied by acknowledging that you were mislead about the facts, through no fault of your own.  Why is it so hard to admit you and the MSM are wrong about the President's NOT defending the neo-Nazis at Charlottesville?

He said that after he got into all of that crap for saying there were fine people on both sides.  He didn't say anything about the driver of the vehicle or the skinheads until 48 hours later when he was questioned on his response.  If the President isn't smart enough and his advisors aren't smart enough to condemn Nazis wannabees immediately after one of them drives through a crowd of protesters, do you really think he should be President? 

Again, why do you assume that the mainstream is the one that is brainwashed.  Because over 100 recognized and respected global scientists say that climate change is real and the mainstream media themselves are brainwashed by these scientists?  Or that the obvious discrepancy in income and wealth between the top 1% and the bottom 50% is an overstatement?  What would Occam's razor suggest to you about who exactly is brainwashed and who isn't?  Cheers!

When he used the words "Fine people on both sides," was he, or was he not, referring to the neo-Nazis and white nationalists?
Why is this hard?

He said that after he got into all of that crap for saying there were fine people on both sides.

You've been hoaxed again.  If you look at the Politifact transcript, he said "And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally" a few sentences immediately after the "fine people on both sides" - and he said it unprompted.

Why is this so hard?
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Re: The Party of Peace, Love and Inclusiveness.....
« Reply #39 on: July 05, 2019, 06:07:38 AM »
Why is this so hard?

Because I have the right to choose to see, what I want to see!!

LOL
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