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Re: The President, bribery, and Ukraine
« Reply #140 on: October 08, 2019, 05:44:25 AM »
Someone please explain to me how Trump's actions in Syria are not both:

1) An attempt to distract from his crimes at a giant cost to the USA, and
2) A giant gift to Vladimir Putin.

It's amazing what you can buy with some pee tapes and a promise of election assistance.

Edit: I forgot to mention that Putin likely has tapes of his conversations with Trump which could be used to blackmail Trump.
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Re: The President, bribery, and Ukraine
« Reply #141 on: October 08, 2019, 07:24:27 AM »
What's more frightening is Trump's willingness to pull out of the open skies treaty:

https://theweek.com/speedreads/870300/trump-apparently-wants-pull-from-open-skies-treaty-nobody-knows-why

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Re: The President, bribery, and Ukraine
« Reply #142 on: October 08, 2019, 04:28:49 PM »
https://nypost.com/2019/10/02/adam-schiff-knew-about-whistleblowers-complaint-before-it-was-filed-report/

LOL. These idiots just cant keep the threads from eventually unraveling. As we suspected, a scam orchestrated by the libtards...

So Adam Schiff colluded with the Whistleblower to file his complaint?   

https://thefederalist.com/2019/10/02/breaking-anti-trump-whistleblower-colluded-with-house-democrats-before-filing-complaint/

I really am shocked.

Damn - it just get worse for the Democrats - now it looks like whistleblower was not only a registered Democrat coached by Adam Schiff -
but he/she was also had a relationship with one of the Democratic Presidential Candidates.

You can't make this stuff up, it's so sleazy.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/whistleblower-had-professional-tie-to-2020-democratic-candidate

Under questioning from Republicans during last Friday's impeachment inquiry interview with Atkinson, the inspector general revealed that the whistleblower's possible bias was not that he was simply a registered Democrat. It was that he had a significant tie to one of the Democratic presidential candidates currently vying to challenge President Trump in next year's election.

"The IG said [the whistleblower] worked or had some type of professional relationship with one of the Democratic candidates," said one person with knowledge of what was said.

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Re: The President, bribery, and Ukraine
« Reply #143 on: October 08, 2019, 06:17:58 PM »
The best legal experience I ever got when I was very young. I asked my father why he did so much work for a big blowhard, an overreaching jerk, rather than for his best friend Grant McFaden. He said, ‘That man you call a blowhard is a walking bonanza of legal troubles, whereas Grant McFaden, who fixes problems promptly and is nice, hardly generates any legal work at all.’ My dad was teaching me a lesson and it worked.

-Charlie Munger

Now I understand why all these Republican congressmen with legal backgrounds have been sucking up to Trump. They know he's a goldmine!

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/464946-gowdy-in-talks-to-join-trumps-impeachment-defense-team

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Re: The President, bribery, and Ukraine
« Reply #144 on: October 08, 2019, 06:33:38 PM »
"Jimmy Carter's impeachment advice for Trump: Tell the truth for a change
The former president also says it's unwise for Trump to stonewall Congress."

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/08/jimmy-carter-trump-impeachment-040753

My forecast is that eventually we will see Jimmy Carter, George Bush, and Barack Obama join together to call for Trump's resignation. I would not be surprised if they hold a joint photo op, although a letter or op-ed might be more likely. It would not surprise me if they threw in a few vice-presidents for good measure, just to add to the gravitas. I suppose it's more likely to happen after impeachment, but who knows.

Also, don't be surprised if you see more lovefests between the left and the right like George Bush and Ellen Degeneres just happening to go to a ball game together. It also wouldn't surprise me if some ex-presidents decided to all go to a baseball game together, and maybe share some apple pie for good measure.

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Re: The President, bribery, and Ukraine
« Reply #145 on: October 09, 2019, 03:45:56 AM »
From Richard Lewis's Transcript of the 2019 Daily Journal Meeting:
(http://latticeworkinvesting.com/category/charlie-munger/)

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My father had this best friend and client and he also had this other client who is a big blowhard and he was always working for the big blowhard and he wasn’t ever working for his wonderful client whom I admired. And I said, “Why do you do this?” And he said, “Charlie you idiot…” He says, “the big blowhard is an endless source of legal troubles. He’s always in trouble. Overreaching and misbehaving and so forth. Whereas Grant McFadden treats everybody right. The employees, the customers, everything. And if he gets involved with some psychotic he walks over there and makes a graceful exit immediately. A man like that doesn’t need a lawyer.” My father was trying to teach me something and it really worked. I spent my whole life trying to be like Grant McFadden and I want to tell you it works. It really works.
-Charlie Munger

I think this mess may create as much work as the tobacco settlements. If I were given the chance to try to get elected or re-elected as a republican Trump supporter or to go on to his legal defense team, I would probably feel a calling to go back to the law. It's probably higher paid, although the client's creditworthiness, especially willingness to pay has been questioned, and job security might be pretty much guaranteed for a decade or more.

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Re: The President, bribery, and Ukraine
« Reply #146 on: October 09, 2019, 04:47:39 AM »
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Dems raise fresh quid-pro-quo questions about Ukraine missile sale
The sale raises the prospect that President Donald Trump may have been pressuring Ukraine in exchange for political favors far earlier than previously known.

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/08/trump-ukraine-missile-sale-040915

It appears the house impeachment inquiry has been exploring whether Trump tampered with Ukrainian cooperation with the Mueller investigation through a similar quid pro quo with the previous Ukranian administration. That would tie all the pieces together.

If you're looking for a unifying theory of the Ukraine scandal it is this: What democrats know and/or suspect, but can't say publicly yet, is that since Zelensky's election Trump was testing and pressuring the new administration to see if Zelensky and his government would play ball as their Poroshenko predecessors had. In other words, the scandal did not start in July 2019, it goes back for years and it was only exposed due to the difficulty of transitioning a corrupt quid pro quo relationship from one administration to another.

It's a very simple explanation. It will be interesting to see if facts are revealed to support this explanation.

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor
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Re: The President, bribery, and Ukraine
« Reply #147 on: October 09, 2019, 05:06:25 AM »
https://www.gq.com/story/ukraine-us-political-scandals-including-trump-impeachment-inquiry

While Hunter Biden's involvement in the Burisma may not have been illegal, the article does a good job of providing qualitative context for why any involvement in Ukraine would create a repetitional risk.

The use of recognizable political names on boards in Ukraine actually reminds me of Theranos's similar attempt at creating an air of legitimacy.

I recommend that this GQ article goes well with a can of Billy Beer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Beer).

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Re: The President, bribery, and Ukraine
« Reply #148 on: October 09, 2019, 07:25:03 AM »
Oh boy. Now its being reported that the "whistleblower" has direct ties to a 2020 Democrat campaign and that his lawyer is a prominent Democrat as well....Sorry Dems, looks like the latest stunt is falling apart. At least it lasted longer than the Kavanaugh farce.

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Re: The President, bribery, and Ukraine
« Reply #149 on: October 09, 2019, 07:51:11 AM »
Trump is the last politician to hire the whistleblower. Trump was almost certainly aware (at least certainly should have been aware) of the whistleblower's work experience. Trump hired them anyway.

Trump committed crimes and admitted to them. There is no amount of excuses or fingerpointing that will change that. It doesn't make it a coup. Trump can take down as many people with him as he'd like, but he still admitted to campaign finance crimes in front of the whole country. It's sad you can't admit it.

There's always excuses and what-ifs. "But Trump is only being investigated because he did his crimes in public unlike past politicians". Yes, that is why he is being investigated again. Do whatever about Hunter, I don't care. Tarnish Joe Biden for his associations/COI, great. Bitch about Warren embellishing about being Indian because it's a family story she took to heart (with 23andMe, you'd think people might get this is a nothingburger).

Trump broke numerous laws and admitted to them over the years. Bragged about them. There's no amount of bullshit explaining or excusing that will change that. It's not a Dem conspiracy. There's no coup. He lies to you and you are too proud to admit you were deceived. All other discussion is pointless imo.
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