Author Topic: Fake News  (Read 700 times)

cubsfan

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Re: Fake News
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2019, 04:52:17 PM »
Say what you like. Do all the research you want. It's your thing and works for you.

Not for everyone. Call it intuition, reading people, whatever --

It's easy to see that Adam Schiff is a chronic liar and scumbag. Same for Don Lemon, Chris Cuomo, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler etc, etc.
It's obvious that nothing Nancy Pelosi says makes sense anymore.

I don't need a lot of research to tell me the Democrats have lost their mind or "The Squad" is a racist, horrible, disgusting group -
or that CNN is crooked as hell.  It's just not that tough to see - and when NO ONE can say they were WRONG, WRONG, WRONG
about so much the last few years --- well, then it is EASY to know they have an agenda - and I can't trust them.
Especially, when they do it time after time after time.

You can make it as complicated as you like - I don't need too.

You don't want to believe there is "Fake News" - good for you - for me, it doesn't pass the smell test.


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« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2019, 05:32:20 PM »
Here's a question: define what "Fake News" is. Is it bias of what stories to air? Or is it the reporting of blatant false events?

CNN does not air certain stories, Fox News does not air certain stories. In both cases the choice of which story to air is decided based on viewership (after all we're a capitalist society, right?), so their bias reflects the bias of the underlying viewership.

If you want a more centrist source then go find the news outlets which rank more centrally, or you can do as RTF smartly recommends and go straight to source material.

But until you show evidence of the reporting of fraudulent events, you're just repeating a Donald Trump talking point.
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cubsfan

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Re: Fake News
« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2019, 06:24:56 PM »
Hey LC - don't believe your own eyes and ears ?  - -   No problem

I'm more than happy to agree with Trump on this "talking point", as it's totally obvious.

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Re: Fake News
« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2019, 06:44:26 PM »
If you're truly curious, and interested in being intellectually honest about this question of how reliable news sources are, I suggest the following exercise, which I have done many times.

When you find out about a news event, go to a primary source first. Meaning, go read the court documents yourself, or watch the testimony live. Immerse yourself in the primary materials and form your own opinion, then and only then see what Trump says or CNN or Fox or others.

It's possible you are already so biased that you will have difficulty assessing the accuracy of your own impressions, if so try to counteract that, or try to use multiple tests and try to use test cases that are unlikely to engage you emotionally. The less emotional you are, the more likely you can be rational in your analysis.

I have been engaging in this test for longer than I care to admit. I stumbled upon it through work years ago when I had access to many wire services, satellite news feeds, and all major news publications at work. It was easy to spend time comparing the way the news was reported while getting paid to do it.

What was shocking at that time was how little difference there was between any major outlet. There was a business reason for that. Major media outlets need the biggest, broadest audience possible so they intentionally tried to never offend any advertiser or reader. One way to do that was to develop journalistic standards. So oddly, high journalistic standards developed from a business need, there are no governmental regulations on journalistic standards.

The problem is that now you can narrow cast to a limited market and instead of trying not to offend, you can actually seek to anger your audience to increase engagement. This is Fox's strategy much more than any of the other networks. Narrow casting is much more of a problem in digital media though.

If a network or media source is trying to get you outraged, or keep you outraged, then you're probably being manipulated, whether it's on the right or on the left. It's probably also a sign that you are watching opinion, not news. Many people increasingly seem to have trouble understanding when the news stops and the opinions start.
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Re: Fake News
« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2019, 07:26:39 PM »
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-bidens-concede-11571078740

Left-wing media covering up corruption.


"In a Saturday op-ed entitled, “He who must not be named,” George Washington University law professor Jonathan Turley noted a widespread "media urge to simply suppress the story:

Hunter Biden: The mere mention of his name seemingly triggers the vapors among cable TV hosts and their guests.

When President Trump turned to the Bidens and Ukraine in a speech, MSNBC host Nicolle Wallace cut off the coverage, declaring she had to protect the listeners: “We hate to do this, really, but the president isn’t telling the truth.” When Sen. John Kennedy (R-La.) tried to answer a question about the Ukraine scandal by referencing the Bidens, “Meet the Press” host Chuck Todd angrily told him not to “gaslight” the nation.
...What is most remarkable about the paucity of coverage of Hunter Biden’s dealings is the conclusory mantra that “this has all been investigated.” ...When Rep. Lee Zeldin (R-N.Y.) raised the issue on CNN, host Erin Burnett cut him off: “There is no evidence of Joe Biden doing anything wrong, and this is something that has been looked into, and I think — I want to make a point here — I think what we need to talk about right now is what did the president right now do or not do.” Other CNN hosts have repeated the line of “no evidence of wrongdoing” like a virtual incantation.

Instead of a near-religious repetition of a Biden defense, perhaps staff at CNN and NBC could try to get an answer to a simple question: What did Hunter Biden’s overseas associates think they were paying for?"

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Re: Fake News
« Reply #16 on: Today at 02:45:43 AM »
I'll admit. I didn't really believe the whole fake news things before Trump was elected. I do now. CNN is garbage.

Paul, I'm interested in what changed your mind. Can you say more about that?

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Re: Fake News
« Reply #17 on: Today at 02:56:55 AM »
It's interesting that all links or attempts at providing evidence to support the fake news theory have in fact been . . . opinion pieces. I will say it again, part of the problem is a lack of understanding of how the media works, how journalism works and what the difference between news and opinion is.

Plus if you're not aware of the fact that most all of the opinion pieces are written by someone connected to the campaign, you are really missing how the game is played. If you're reading the a piece and it's in writing it's a right up there at the top by the byline that it will say whether it's an opinion piece or not.

From what I have seen, all of the articles written by major news organizations in their factual, news reporting sections actually say that fake news is a strategy employed by Trump to discredit news organizations when they say something about him that he doesn't like. Can someone produce an article, from a major reputable organization that is NOT an opinion piece which proves that there is a vast left wing conspiracy perpetrated by news organizations against trump?

Using Occam's Razor (https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor) it sure is a simpler explanation to say that Trump is lying, like he always lies, and he is now lying because his life depends upon it. Republicans in the Senate for the most part have gone along with it to this point because they are motivated to keep their seats. Trump is increasing his stranglehold on a daily basis. That seems very simple and elegant to me.