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Re: The President, bribery, and Ukraine
« Reply #130 on: October 04, 2019, 07:14:12 AM »
"If anyone didn't follow the link, I highly recommend you do. Judge Napolitano seems very well reasoned to me."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGdWTV2Pl3I

Now after this video do you still find him as well reasoned?

"... let me encourage you not to let your political biases trick you on this one." LOL!

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Re: The President, bribery, and Ukraine
« Reply #131 on: October 04, 2019, 07:18:39 AM »
This was addressed in 2016 over and over. By statutes, Hillary was guilty, no doubt. I wrote as much at the time. By the Gen. Petraeus precedent, if they charged her it wouldn't stick. That's why the DOJ couldn't move forward with charges (they have to believe charges will stick). Mueller said as much about Trump Jr (fear charges wouldn't stick, so didn't indict at all).

Not holding Trump accountable for campaign finance crimes would create more laws where the elite are not held to the same standards as average people. That's the underlying fight right now. The R vs D fight is the magician's hand waving.

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Re: The President, bribery, and Ukraine
« Reply #132 on: October 04, 2019, 07:46:17 AM »
"If anyone didn't follow the link, I highly recommend you do. Judge Napolitano seems very well reasoned to me."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGdWTV2Pl3I

Now after this video do you still find him as well reasoned?

"... let me encourage you not to let your political biases trick you on this one." LOL!

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Ad hominem attack on a Fox commentator. I won't indulge such a bias.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
« Last Edit: October 04, 2019, 08:26:54 AM by Read the Footnotes »

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Re: The President, bribery, and Ukraine
« Reply #133 on: October 05, 2019, 08:45:24 AM »
 Stanford Hoover Institute Political Historian Victor Davis Hanson discusses both sides (Biden/Trump) of the Ukraine issue.

Worth a listen for the openminded:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/victor-davis-hanson-ukraine-impeachment-bidens


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Re: The President, bribery, and Ukraine
« Reply #134 on: October 06, 2019, 04:09:13 PM »
This piece does a good job of reminding the reader of the Ukrainian context of the Ukraine bribery scandal and the risks to Ukraine and Europe.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/10/06/putin-trump-zelensky-phone-call-229243

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Re: The President, bribery, and Ukraine
« Reply #135 on: October 07, 2019, 02:33:39 AM »

Even if Trump is removed, all or most of those who enable him will remain.

It's very easy to look at the situation and just dump it all on Trump but this is obviously not the case.

Hence the rise of AOC and Warren, etc.

OK, I think I exaggerated here. The way things are going, some of his enablers will go down, probably in the dozens. Maybe this will be the awakening moment of the GOP and we'll get a sane party again. Just maybe.

Hope springs eternal

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Re: The President, bribery, and Ukraine
« Reply #136 on: October 07, 2019, 03:40:06 AM »
The Ukraine scandal may have been much broader and deeper. Giuliani and Perry may have been acting to put pressure on Ukraine to help his business buddies (including buddies born in Russia) make a profit in Ukraine's natural gas market.

https://apnews.com/d7440cffba4940f5b85cd3dfa3500fb2

After reading this news, I think we need to know what was in those phone calls with Putin. Much of the dispute over Ukraine stems from Russia's natural gas interests.

Also, since the President is making false claims about corruption involving a natural gas company against Biden, I think this link might be helpful to understanding the situation:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
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Re: The President, bribery, and Ukraine
« Reply #137 on: October 07, 2019, 04:19:05 PM »
Nice clear video clip on how Hunter Biden cashes in on $1.5B deal in China using his VP father's influence.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/10/04/schweizer_bidens_son_cashed_in_on_vp_being_point_man_for_obama_in_ukraine_and_china.html

Deal done in 2 weeks.

How long would it take you money managers to raise $1.5B for your fund if your VP father didn't help?


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Re: The President, bribery, and Ukraine
« Reply #138 on: October 07, 2019, 11:06:14 PM »

Is it me or did Fox News start to slowly turn against Trump?

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Re: The President, bribery, and Ukraine
« Reply #139 on: October 08, 2019, 05:42:05 AM »

Is it me or did Fox News start to slowly turn against Trump?

I think someone else had already asked that question before me, but 5 days ago when I posted the following post I was trying to ask the same thing without being so direct in a hope that I would not bias the response:

It seems unusual to me for FoxNews.com to publish an opinion piece that differs from Trump or Republican talking points. Anyone have an opinion on how unusual this opinion piece from Foxnews.com is?

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/judge-andrew-napolitano-trump-attacks-presidency

If anyone didn't follow the link, I highly recommend you do. Judge Napolitano seems very well reasoned to me.

Just in case anyone decided not to click on the link because they made assumptions of some sort, let me encourage you not to let your political biases trick you on this one. It's really worth clicking on.

Also, here's a video from Judge Napolitano.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/judge-andrew-napolitano-trump-attacks-presidency