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« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2019, 09:05:09 AM »
Oh I'm just listing a variety of logical inconsistencies which are conveniently ignored whenever a white guy goes on a shooting spree and other white guys rush to defend their own mental constructs.

Feel free to ponder (or ignore) these inequalities at your own convenience.
I never brought up race...you did. But this just shows how you and every other liberal always wants to make it about race. You are ignoring many things as well.

Ban guns and then what? The shootings wont stop it's a guarantee. What happens when banning guns doesn't work? Will banning guns also stop the 250 suicides that happen a day?


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« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2019, 11:59:34 AM »
Oh C'mon I covered about 5 topics in one post...but like I said, ignore at  your convenience  ;D

But hey, it's a mental illness problem, right? Well before you commit to that position, don't let this 2017 bit of news get in the way:

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Trump Signs Bill Revoking Obama-Era Gun Checks for People With Mental Illnesses

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-signs-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-n727221

Had the rule fully taken effect, the Obama administration predicted it would have added about 75,000 names to that database.

President Barack Obama recommended the now-nullified regulation in a 2013 memo following the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School, which left 20 first graders and six others dead. The measure sought to block some people with severe mental health problems from buying guns.

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« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2019, 12:26:13 PM »
I canít believe that the US consumer hasnít yet clued in and realized that every time Trump imposes a tariff, the price of consumer goods goes up or corporate profits go down. Perhaps it is because the full effect hasnít trickled down yet but wonít this eventually cause inflation? Do people not realize that this is a sneaky way of raising taxes?

Trump did not impose tariffs. The GOP did.

The NRA does not have elected officials. The GOP does.

It is foolish to blame recent massacres on the NRA or lobbyists.  It's the GOP.  These are GOP enabled massacres, just like these are GOP enabled tariffs. 

Call it for what it is.
They were both Democrats just saying (shootings have been generally evenly distributed with parties). And speaking specifically about Dayton it is unclear the intentions. So it's quite foolish to speculate. What we know (according to Washington Post) is there are no obvious tie to extremist groups. He also arrived with his sister and her boyfriend who were also victims (can't wrap my head around this).

I'm not an NRA member and I think they do utilize some "scare tactics" to gain members. But if you actually look at the cash they put up for lobbying they are a drop in the bucket compared to most other groups (big pharma).

How about we start discussing the real issue. Every single shooter has been on anti-depressants. Mass shootings have increased in correlation with gun laws. Stop putting band-aids on the issue and lets address the root. Even Neil Degrasse Tyson tweeted some common sense on the issue.

As someone who recently lived in Dayton and frequented that strip quite often it puts it in perspective. I had a friend who was down there that night (just down the street at the Dublin Pub) on a bachelor party (which I couldn't make). But this doesn't change my opinion on the cause of the issue. It's a mental health issue, a broken home issue. This is what happens when society begins to adopt a nihilistic view on life. These people sit in their dark corners of the internet and feed off each other.

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Back to the topic. What is a solution that doesn't involve tariffs to establish a more free trade global economy? I keep hearing consumers are getting fleeced but have prices actually gone up? The data doesn't seem to show any significant changed. Slight spike in March, but nothing spectacular.

https://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet

Where did you get the information that they were both Democrats?  Certainly not liberal if they had a racist/immigrant manifesto or target.  Cheers!

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2019-08-03/what-we-know-about-patrick-crusius-el-paso-rampage
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« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2019, 12:50:54 PM »
Oh C'mon I covered about 5 topics in one post...but like I said, ignore at  your convenience  ;D

But hey, it's a mental illness problem, right? Well before you commit to that position, don't let this 2017 bit of news get in the way:

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Trump Signs Bill Revoking Obama-Era Gun Checks for People With Mental Illnesses

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-signs-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-n727221

Had the rule fully taken effect, the Obama administration predicted it would have added about 75,000 names to that database.

President Barack Obama recommended the now-nullified regulation in a 2013 memo following the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School, which left 20 first graders and six others dead. The measure sought to block some people with severe mental health problems from buying guns.

Did you see me applauding Trump? Do I ever defend Trump? Hardly ever. I'm not opposed to checks for mental illness etc. But the Obama bill was haphazardly thrown together. It was an opinion piece made into a law. If you want to do it, it needs to be done deliberately with scientific proof.
The law currently:

Under the NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007, a person who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or committed to a mental institution in a State proceeding is not prohibited by the adjudication or commitment if ATF E-Form 4473 (5300.9) Revised October 2016 the person has been granted relief by the adjudicating/committing State pursuant to a qualifying mental health relief from disabilities program. Also, a person who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or committed to a mental institution by a department or agency of Federal Government is not prohibited by the adjudication or commitment if either: (a) the person's adjudication or commitment was set-aside or expunged by the adjudicating/committing agency; (b) the person has been fully released or discharged from all mandatory treatment, supervision, or monitoring by the agency; (c) the person was found by the agency to no longer suffer from the mental health condition that served as the basis of the initial adjudication/ commitment; or (d) the adjudication or commitment, respectively, is based solely on a medical finding of disability, without an opportunity for a hearing by a court, board, commission, or other lawful authority, and the person has not been adjudicated as a mental defective consistent with section 922(g)(4) of title 18, United States Code; (e) the person was granted relief from the adjudicating/ committing agency pursuant to a qualified mental health relief from disabilities program. Persons who fall within one of the above exceptions should answer "no" to question 11.f. This exception to an adjudication or commitment by a Federal department or agency does not apply to any person who was adjudicated to be not guilty by reason of insanity, or based on lack of mental responsibility, or found incompetent to stand trial, in any criminal case or under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

If you were committed by a court or other lawful agency/institution you are banned from owning/purchasing a gun. What the Trump agency did was take away the ability for a parent or individual from claiming you are mentally ill to prevent you from purchasing a gun. As I said before....if you want to claim someone is mentally ill then you need to have the approval of a doctor or other lawful institution. As a parent you already can limit your child until they are 18 and 21 simply by being a parent. So by the time they turn 18 if a child who is clearly mentally unstable hasn't been taken to a lawful institution for evaluation then the guardians of that child have failed.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/dayton-ohio-shooting-suspect-hit-list

Government did a great job! Had authorities handled the situation properly he would have been unable to purchase a firearm due to form 4473 (see above)

Another good read:

https://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-laws/policy-areas/who-can-have-a-gun/categories-of-prohibited-people/

As I've said before...banning guns isn't a solution. It's an emotional feel good moment that wont solve anything. The real issue needs to be addressed.

Also 26 out of the last 27 mass shooters have come from broken homes. But yeah, culture and society have nothing to do with it either.

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Even after all this is said it's not clear (unless you cherry pick) that guns availability always correlate to murders or violent crimes.

in 1954 London (which had zero gun laws) had 12 armed robberies

fast forward to today and...

London (with strict gun laws) had over 1400 armed robberies. 

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Re: The psycopath
« Reply #24 on: August 05, 2019, 12:54:41 PM »
I canít believe that the US consumer hasnít yet clued in and realized that every time Trump imposes a tariff, the price of consumer goods goes up or corporate profits go down. Perhaps it is because the full effect hasnít trickled down yet but wonít this eventually cause inflation? Do people not realize that this is a sneaky way of raising taxes?

Trump did not impose tariffs. The GOP did.

The NRA does not have elected officials. The GOP does.

It is foolish to blame recent massacres on the NRA or lobbyists.  It's the GOP.  These are GOP enabled massacres, just like these are GOP enabled tariffs. 

Call it for what it is.
They were both Democrats just saying (shootings have been generally evenly distributed with parties). And speaking specifically about Dayton it is unclear the intentions. So it's quite foolish to speculate. What we know (according to Washington Post) is there are no obvious tie to extremist groups. He also arrived with his sister and her boyfriend who were also victims (can't wrap my head around this).

I'm not an NRA member and I think they do utilize some "scare tactics" to gain members. But if you actually look at the cash they put up for lobbying they are a drop in the bucket compared to most other groups (big pharma).

How about we start discussing the real issue. Every single shooter has been on anti-depressants. Mass shootings have increased in correlation with gun laws. Stop putting band-aids on the issue and lets address the root. Even Neil Degrasse Tyson tweeted some common sense on the issue.

As someone who recently lived in Dayton and frequented that strip quite often it puts it in perspective. I had a friend who was down there that night (just down the street at the Dublin Pub) on a bachelor party (which I couldn't make). But this doesn't change my opinion on the cause of the issue. It's a mental health issue, a broken home issue. This is what happens when society begins to adopt a nihilistic view on life. These people sit in their dark corners of the internet and feed off each other.

__________________________________________

Back to the topic. What is a solution that doesn't involve tariffs to establish a more free trade global economy? I keep hearing consumers are getting fleeced but have prices actually gone up? The data doesn't seem to show any significant changed. Slight spike in March, but nothing spectacular.

https://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet

Where did you get the information that they were both Democrats?  Certainly not liberal if they had a racist/immigrant manifesto or target.  Cheers!

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2019-08-03/what-we-know-about-patrick-crusius-el-paso-rampage

You're right on the El Paso shooter. But the Dayton shooter (according to Washington Post) was a registered Democrat.

It's zero hedge so take it at face value. But I have found them to be about as accurate as many other sources.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-05/dayton-shooter-was-pro-satan-leftist-who-supported-warren-sanders-antifa-and

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Re: The psycopath
« Reply #25 on: August 05, 2019, 01:13:53 PM »
I canít believe that the US consumer hasnít yet clued in and realized that every time Trump imposes a tariff, the price of consumer goods goes up or corporate profits go down. Perhaps it is because the full effect hasnít trickled down yet but wonít this eventually cause inflation? Do people not realize that this is a sneaky way of raising taxes?

Trump did not impose tariffs. The GOP did.

The NRA does not have elected officials. The GOP does.

It is foolish to blame recent massacres on the NRA or lobbyists.  It's the GOP.  These are GOP enabled massacres, just like these are GOP enabled tariffs. 

Call it for what it is.
They were both Democrats just saying (shootings have been generally evenly distributed with parties). And speaking specifically about Dayton it is unclear the intentions. So it's quite foolish to speculate. What we know (according to Washington Post) is there are no obvious tie to extremist groups. He also arrived with his sister and her boyfriend who were also victims (can't wrap my head around this).

I'm not an NRA member and I think they do utilize some "scare tactics" to gain members. But if you actually look at the cash they put up for lobbying they are a drop in the bucket compared to most other groups (big pharma).

How about we start discussing the real issue. Every single shooter has been on anti-depressants. Mass shootings have increased in correlation with gun laws. Stop putting band-aids on the issue and lets address the root. Even Neil Degrasse Tyson tweeted some common sense on the issue.

As someone who recently lived in Dayton and frequented that strip quite often it puts it in perspective. I had a friend who was down there that night (just down the street at the Dublin Pub) on a bachelor party (which I couldn't make). But this doesn't change my opinion on the cause of the issue. It's a mental health issue, a broken home issue. This is what happens when society begins to adopt a nihilistic view on life. These people sit in their dark corners of the internet and feed off each other.

__________________________________________

Back to the topic. What is a solution that doesn't involve tariffs to establish a more free trade global economy? I keep hearing consumers are getting fleeced but have prices actually gone up? The data doesn't seem to show any significant changed. Slight spike in March, but nothing spectacular.

https://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet

Where did you get the information that they were both Democrats?  Certainly not liberal if they had a racist/immigrant manifesto or target.  Cheers!

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2019-08-03/what-we-know-about-patrick-crusius-el-paso-rampage

You're right on the El Paso shooter. But the Dayton shooter (according to Washington Post) was a registered Democrat.

It's zero hedge so take it at face value. But I have found them to be about as accurate as many other sources.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-05/dayton-shooter-was-pro-satan-leftist-who-supported-warren-sanders-antifa-and

The extremists in both parties should be banned. 

I'm also still 100% behind extremely strict Federal gun laws across all U.S. states.  All guns have to be registered, otherwise it is a felony...assault rifles and semi-automatic guns completely banned...20-30 day waiting period...mandatory trigger locks for all guns in storage...full detailed background checks not unlike what is required to get your NEXUS card...full amnesty for first year to turn in unregistered guns. 

I'm actually ok with free carry states believe it or not, as long as the they've passed all of the above, gun is holstered, and they carry their id and registration.  Cheers!
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« Reply #26 on: August 05, 2019, 01:35:18 PM »
Could we get back to topic?

This is about tarrifs and Trump stupid and failing approach. If you want to talk guns and mass shootings please start another thread.

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« Reply #27 on: August 05, 2019, 01:45:29 PM »
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Did you see me applauding Trump? Do I ever defend Trump? Hardly ever.
Fair enough, my apologies for mischaracterizing you!

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Could we get back to topic?
Carry on, I felt a owed Castanza an explanation as I lumped him in as a "trump apologist", so to speak.
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« Reply #28 on: August 05, 2019, 01:51:50 PM »
From the start, tRump had no leverage. He was holding our farmers hostage. Maybe there is some poetic justice as Trump supporting farmers are declaring bankruptcy big time.

The Chinese will starve themselves to death before surrendering on Trade. They also understand that no matter what deal is signed, US will renege. Their goal from day 1 was to delay and outlast "small hands" presidency.

The first mistake Golfer in chief made was to wage trade wars with multiple countries. He should have waged a global front against china.

The world economy is going to shrink further, US will enter a major recession bringing Biden to power. I guess all is well that ends well.

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« Reply #29 on: August 05, 2019, 03:15:12 PM »
From the start, tRump had no leverage. He was holding our farmers hostage. Maybe there is some poetic justice as Trump supporting farmers are declaring bankruptcy big time.

The Chinese will starve themselves to death before surrendering on Trade. They also understand that no matter what deal is signed, US will renege. Their goal from day 1 was to delay and outlast "small hands" presidency.

The first mistake Golfer in chief made was to wage trade wars with multiple countries. He should have waged a global front against china.

The world economy is going to shrink further, US will enter a major recession bringing Biden to power. I guess all is well that ends well.

The big problem with wars is that itís easier to start one than to finish it. Modern wars tend to have losers on both sides. I think there might soon be a military angle to this whole thing,
Perhaps HK, or perhaps Chinese warships in the Persian gulf. Trump sort of invited the Chinese to patrol the waters. I feel both sides make moves that they donít like to do, but feel like they have to. In German, we call this Zugzwang.
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