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jeffmori7

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There is no such thing as climate change...
« on: October 21, 2017, 07:45:24 PM »
I will just let it here, in politics...

Click on the links, those are nice GIFs

Zonal means of temperature anomalies 1900 - 2016 by Antti Lipponen, sur Flickr


Temperature anomalies arranged by country 1900 - 2016. by Antti Lipponen, sur Flickr
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Re: There is no such thing as climate change...
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2017, 10:10:13 AM »

jeffmori7

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jeffmori7

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Re: There is no such thing as climate change...
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2017, 05:50:13 PM »
More data points. Original articles with associated media coverage.

1-From the US federal agencies

https://science2017.globalchange.gov/

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/03/climate/us-climate-report.html


Thanks a lot. Obligatory read I must say. At least the executive summary of the report.

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Re: There is no such thing as climate change...
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2017, 03:34:07 PM »
Viktor Schauberger in 1933 agreed that there would be man caused climate change but for reasons entirely different than mainstream expectations. Accordingly nothing has changed in regards to his warnings and certain policies such as vast mining operations and bore-holes to search for water in China, fracking in the US and mono-culture farm practices with NPK fertilizers and chemicals, and in Canada and elsewhere building AC power transmission lines over vast distances through forests and farms only accelerate the process. He predicted that the modern farming, mining and forestry techniques would eventually cause a period of warmth and agricultural productivity followed by an ice age. Is the ice age next? It is arguable that his prediction is the only one that has predicted closely the events we have experience since 1980 or so. Perhaps we should be more humble and consider whether we all have the causes and effects backwards. Some of his solutions are simple: basically leave the forest canopy undisturbed, shade creeks and rivers with forests, add certain mineral ores especially copper and silver to water courses, don't harm earthworms with agriculture practices and use implosion forces for energy instead of explosion or nuclear.

From Nature as Teacher translated by Callum Coates about p. 35

Note Carbone is defined earlier by Callum Coates:

15'Carbones': In contrast to the normal use and definition of 'carbon', Viktor Schauberger grouped all the known elements and their compounds, with the exception of oxygen and hydrogen, under the general classification of 'Mother Substances', which he described with the word 'Kohle-stoffe', normally spelt 'Kohlenstoffe' and meaning carbon. Apart from the above definition the hyphen also signifies a higher aspect of carbon, both physically and energetically or immaterially. The additional 'e' in the English word is therefore intended to redefine and enlarge the scope of the usual term 'carbon'
in accordance with Viktor's concepts. - Ed.

“Temperatures prevailing in the interior of the Earth  are the product of interactions  that take place between carbones contained in the Earth and oxygen entrained by infiltrating  water.  Were the last  reserves of highly organised carbones eventually to be totally stripped from the Earth, these interactive processes could no longer take place and the Earth would cool off.

Since it is practically impossible to remove all carbones from the Earth however, these cooling phenomena can only occur to an extent commensurate with the severity of disturbance to these inner interactions. These disturbances are caused by the removal of carbones, or by ventilating the Earth. Conforming to natural law, the effects of today's technological and industrial intrusions into the Earth must therefore lead to the following results:

If various external influences such as bore-holes, deep wells, shafts and open-cut mines, excessive extraction of coal, metals and minerals, all act to inhibit these interactions, they will provoke a cooling of the Earth's crust. The atmosphere will also cool off as a further consequence. These causes, which ensure an excessive accumulation of oxygen in the atmosphere, must also result in its concentration due to the influence of cold. In the course of time air strata normally subjected to low atmospheric pressure will become heavier in the absence of upward-streaming groups of carbones. These strata will sink downwards, over-saturating both the vaporous and the fluid hydrosphere with oxygen. If, having now become over-saturated with oxygen and heavy, this water succeeds in infiltrating into deeper strata of the geosphere, into the carbonesphere for example, then under the prevailing high temperatures the accompanying oxygen will trigger off lively oxidative events.

The cumulative effect of these will result initially in localised explosions, eruptions or earthquakes, and subsequently in ruptures of the Earth's surface. This will provoke the sudden release and elevation of gaseous carbone groups. These relatively elementary substances will first interact with atmospheric oxygen only at great altitudes, and in various hot zones will trigger off a regional redistribution, causing sudden cold spells and the movement of stronger or weaker air currents.

In equatorial zones the ascent of these carbones will be enhanced by the stronger reflection of heat. Under certain circumstances the reciprocal effects thus provoked can become so large and so aggressive that the zone of interaction in the lower levels of the atmosphere extends downwards in the form of funnel-shaped clouds. This leads to the general formation of tornadoes and the violent cyclonic storms which have long been known in equatorial regions. Through these powerful interactions, water-vapour will be forced into localised concentrations, resulting in the formation of heavy thunder- storms and the occurrence of cloudbursts. Apart from large quantities of carbones, substantial amounts of water-vapour are also expelled into the atmosphere during strong eruptions, offering increased resistance to the Sun's radiant energy, and hence to an increase in heat (through the heat- absorbing function of atmospheric water-vapour).

The sequel to this phenomenon is a short-lived, luxuriant profusion of vegetation (a phoney agricultural success) in which consumption of gaseous carbones (carbon dioxide) is intensified. These substances, however, can no longer he produced from the Earth's interior in the necessary and regular proportions. This leads to a qualitative decline in various forms of vegetation, and to a decomposition of the dynagens reflected back by the Sun, namely to a systematic cooling-off, and therefore to the inauguration of a new ice age.21 These developments will soon be brought about by the devastating activities of those involved in forestry, agriculture, water and energy- resources management because, as a result of their predominantly one-sided way of looking at things, the regularity of the water cycle will be inhibited, and with it the energy cycle and the upward flow of carbones. As already mentioned, it is inevitable that humanity's present absurd practices will bring about a drop in the quality of dynagens reflected back by the Sun. Ultimately, by arresting the oxidative processes in the atmosphere, the generation of heat will also be reduced.

21'Dynagen': Belongs to the higher formations of energy described elsewhere as Ethericities: The term 'ethericity' refers to a supra-normal, near non-dimensional, energetic, bio-electric, bio-magnetic, catalytic, high-frequency, vibratory, super-potent entity of quasi-material, quasi-etheric nature belonging to the 4th and 5th dimensions of being. As such it can be further categorised as a fructigen, qualigen and dynagen, which respectively represent those subtle energies, whose function is the enhancement of fecundity or fructification (fructigen), the generation of quality (qualigen) and the amplification of immaterial energy (dynagen). According to their function or location these may be male or female in nature.

Readers are reminded that all this was written by Schauberger long before science had the vaguest inkling of such phenomena as 'global warming' and the 'greenhouse effect'. - Ed

It can thus reasonably be asserted that the next ice age will be virtually dragged in by contemporary science and technology. For this reason the manifestations of economic decline, familiar the whole world over, must logically keep pace with the advance of technology. This state of affairs will worsen at the same tempo as the sources of energy required to maintain technological progress are removed from the Earth. The greater the progress we achieve in technology, the deeper we will and must sink culturally and economically. However, this is not the end of the matter!! With the curtailment of the absolutely essential oxidative processes in the Earth, enormous amounts of water must make their appearance, initially in the atmosphere and subsequently in the Earth, because in neither case can it be assimilated or reconstituted. Now heavily over-saturated with oxygen and poor in carbones, this water, which either infiltrates into the Earth or quickly re-evaporates and streams upwards into the atmosphere, will reach its freezing point due to the absence of its partner, the carbones. This results in an unavoidable and fundamental change in general climatic conditions.

Furthermore, when the potential of the groundwater, now possessing a uni-polar charge, has been reduced though lack of carbones, it is forced to sink down to depths where carbones may eventually still be present. There it shifts its boiling point, oxidises prematurely and gives rise to violent eruptions. With the final subsidence of the water, all vegetation will gradually disappear in the same way that it once appeared. After the occurrence of immense catastrophes, which will manifest themselves in the form of earthquakes, cloudbursts, whirlwinds and so on, the vegetation zone, in conformity with natural law, will slowly but surely be covered with ice. Deluges and catastrophic inundations are already on the increase everywhere today, to which approximately 20 million human lives will fall victim. Presently these are only harmless events compared to the disasters which can be expected in the future. These must inevitably occur if humanity continues to allow itself to be guided and controlled by contemporary science.
As a case in point, the present explanation for the formation of rain is so incomplete that it is hard to believe how such a hypothesis could have been upheld for so many centuries. Science explains the origin of rain as the condensation of atmospheric water-vapour due to the presence of cold. This explanation is approximately true in its widest sense, but in the final analysis it actually describes only a very unimportant secondary effect. Even the formation of rain, as elementary experiments prove, must be attributed primarily to the above interactions. These can only arise when ascending carbones intersect with descending oxygen groups attached to microscopic particles of ice.
Were the scientific view correct, then in the higher strata of the atmosphere it ought to rain in winter and snow in summer, since it is well known that air and ground temperatures swap places with each other with the alternation of the seasons.
In consideration of the events described only in broad outline here, there is only one practical option left. That is to make humanity either suspicious or rebellious. Only thus, at the eleventh hour, will it still be possible, perhaps, to trigger off the necessary impulse towards recognition of the unimaginable danger that exists. This is a danger which today threatens a hoodwinked humanity regardless of race or nation. There are people, endowed with an almost God-given cluelessness, who have brought us to this terrible impasse and would lead us on into chaos also. Those apart, there ought to be people with enough humanitarian sensitivity to prevent our children from being led unawares into such frightful cataclysms. The possibility still remains to rip the blindfold from the eyes of sensible individuals and with their help, to undertake a rescue attempt. Our young people would doubtless energetically support this because it is their future that is at stake. There is no herbal remedy for stupidity, and therefore the unconsciously insane can hardly be called to account. However, if the causes of decline appearing everywhere are recognised for what they really are, then any continuation of these per- verse practices, which are consciously leading all humanity towards disaster, would unquestionably be deemed a criminal act.

   Conforming to natural law, the systematic disturbance of the water balance will reliably happen as a consequence of current industrial, technological and economic practices, leading to the increasingly extensive suppression of interactions that condition all life in Nature. The logical outcome of the cessation of oxidative processes occurring between basic formative substances is an increasingly widespread cooling and desolation of the all-nourishing vegetation zone. If the present modi operandi continue to be applied, then apart from the emergence of disease and degeneration, world- wide famine must inevitably follow.

The insights gained from the preceding explanations must force us to a decision. We renounce the grievously damaging achievements of contemporary science and technology and we strip our reigning intellectual masters of their power. Alternatively we allow them, little by little, to strip us of ours, and by every trick in the book to put us on ice (in the true meaning of the term). In this scientifically contrived, conserved form, we will be preserved for as long as conceivably possible. At the very least we will eventually provide a future humanity with the cautionary end-product of a bygone 'culture'. Vienna, November 1933.

Cigarbutt

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Re: There is no such thing as climate change...
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2017, 04:33:09 PM »
"The perpetual tendency in the race of man to increase beyond the means of subsistence is one of the general laws of animated nature which we can have no reason to expect will change."

That was from Malthus (1798). Quite a while ago.

I would also tend to agree with the perpetual tendency to hope for more human ingenuity.

Productivity is not necessarily a dirty word.

With radical solutions, one has to worry about throwing out the baby with the bath water. No?


Disclosure: optimist.

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Re: There is no such thing as climate change...
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2017, 06:16:01 PM »
I think climate change is more complex than economics, making “experts” in the field less reliable than economists. Not exactly a compliment.

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Re: There is no such thing as climate change...
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2017, 08:50:28 AM »
I think climate change is more complex than economics, making “experts” in the field less reliable than economists. Not exactly a compliment.

I think the problem is more politicization than complexity. Early reports on climate change were far more balanced like for instance the one:
https://www.nap.edu/read/18714/chapter/1#xii

But today the reports lead, William Nierenberg is considered to be according to Oreskes, a Merchant of Doubt, for his role in leading the report.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Nierenberg

To me though he was a fairly objective scientist operating in a time before hysteria and politics took over.

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Re: There is no such thing as climate change...
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2017, 09:33:42 AM »
https://newrepublic.com/article/118655/theoretical-phyisicist-explains-why-science-not-about-certainty

"Restricting our vision of reality today to just the core content of science or the core content of the humanities is being blind to the complexity of reality, which we can grasp from a number of points of view. The two points of view can teach each other and, I believe, enlarge each other."

If pressed for time, here's a summary: An open mind can go a long way.